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ae's stuff is highly emotional. i know very good musicians that are not engineers. |
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no, they've had a few very amazing songs that have inspired me. Its just that the majority of stuff they do just seems like it relies on too many technical aspects to keep the listener interested. And then theres the songs, that are kinda good, or have lots of potential, but they don't go anywhere. I'm far from emotionally dead, thanks. |
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I think your anus is bleeding. |
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that definition of composers is incorrect. tell me where it says anything about how a piece has to be composed in the definition of . nowhere. autechre, whether you love/hate/etc. them, are musicians, composers, engineers, producers and more. they create music. they create art. that's the black and white truth of it. |
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and i quote, "Sweet composers of the pensive soul. --Gay." but seriously, autechre's music isn't for everyone. if they were catering to the masses, they'd sound like moby. they making challenging, sometimes seemingly-chaotic music, but it is quality music that does have a deep impact on many people, including myself. |
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notice the words "to me" before i go on about 'composers', and I use that in a more traditional sense of Classical music composers, in which classical music was 99% melodies, if not 100% to entertain and inspire audiences. |
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point noted and please don't take this personally. i'm trying to present my point in this debate. now, what you have elaborated on is all well and good, but you must remember that we now live in a time where classical, modern, and post-modern art co-exist. the traditional, fascistic dogma of classical standards is totally irrelevant. otherwise, you're dismissing the entire 20th century. "classical music was 99% melodies, if not 100% to entertain and inspire audiences" -- that just re-affirms one of my previous points. |
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autechre are computer robot men sent from alien mothership space capsule. end of story. |
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i agree. |
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autechre better while stoned tedious while drunk |
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I see what you're (weatheredstoner) saying about engineering/composing ratios.. everyone is getting hung up on terms here. This is not to mention that we're not taking into account the fact that not all Autechre is the same. More obvious melodic content is contained in the early work.. it's a little more cryptic in the later works. However.. in some cases it's tough even to draw a distinction between beat and melody. This is why I can see the validity of your engineer statement, even though I wouldn't have thought of it. They are a new breed of musicians that are blurring the lines between what constitutes musicality and noise. |
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my whole point was to move away from getting hung up on terms and especially these totally arbitrary ratios. the way a song sounds in no way alters the fact that the composer has created music. you're telling me that any song without melody is automatically in this category of non-music? that makes no sense. of course it's music! and please get out of the 1800's - we are discussing autechre. "They are a new breed of musicians that are blurring the lines between what constitutes musicality and noise" -- they said the same thing about early pop, rock n roll, industrial, punk rock, electronica, etc. every innovative art form is met by this bizarre rhetoric - it serves no purpose. if you don't like autechre, great! but to say they are not musicians/composers is totally illogical. |
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this place seems to have turned again.. you're all like little kids who can't make up your minds... one minute you love aphex, the other you love autechre.. then it's back to aphex, a pitstop at boc, suddenly listening to one of vsnares' songs and "appreciating" it, and then it's back to square one. I think it's because you all have to "get into" the music even if its crap like autechre (except for that one album which I can't remember the name of). |
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fennesz. |
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how generous |
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people should shut up and just play teh musix. |
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exactly! |
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AE is about 25% musicians and 75% engineers...haha, wanker. ae are fucking brilliant and just because you don't like their music as much as some other geeks doesn't make them any less musicians. Either you are plain stupid or have an ego which eclipses even mine. |
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wont do any good. you are an 'elitist' now. and its very elite to rebel against the elite. or something. |
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It will do good if I say it will do good. |
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i dont want to dull the debate, but they are equal in there artistry. both have created beatiful works of music, and both still do (afx? well hopefully). and both have had an enormous influence in the genre. i do think that autechre have taken it a step further than aphx, they have put more emphasis on the sound of the composition, than on the melody/harmony. i think the real question is, who has more influence afx or ae? the answer to that is of course, squarepusher. |
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there's nothing wrong with autechre's music, i can play it sometimes and even enjoy some tunes, but the thing is they're enormously overrated...i mean there are PLENTY of musicians doing the same thing, and many of them are at least as good if not better. but autechre are on warp and that is very important among the fans. |
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ae's songs sound like they were created by ae, that is something very few artists in this genre have. once an ae track comes on you know it is them right away. their sound is distinct even though they may make music that other artists are making. |
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that is one of their problems. no diversity in their music. |
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you could see it like that, but they make all of their sounds, and their sounds, to me their is something special in a track when you can see that the artist made 100 percent of the track, it might get homogenized, but ae has a special sound that cannot be replicated. |
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Arch Carrier is being used in Sky News promos. |
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"when you can see that the artist made 100 percent of the track" i agree on this...that is what bothers me with many artists...they tend to use the same sounds for some reason, i mean they still make a lot of nice songs nevertheless, but perhaps they should try and do someting different for a change. luckly there are people like autechre, afx, pusher,... who always use their own sounds. |
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lp5 is from 98, six years ago, wow i was still in high school, if i only knew that this existed back then. |
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oh wait, one year out of high school, i was out in 97 sorry my bad, |
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the thing i like on autechre is, they reinvent themselves with every lp. some people say funkstörung are better than autechre, for me they are crap! i really like their remixes, but autechre - you can say - is almost untopped in what they do (or in the same level as some other artists) |
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ae is the shit |
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i agree, autechre is the poop. |
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hehe, good doggy ^__^ |
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"ae's stuff is highly emotional." > for you, maybe. but just in case you weren't aware of it, the same music can provoke deep emotions to some people, other emotions to other people, or even do nothing at all to -or just bore- other people. |
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"i mean there are PLENTY of musicians doing the same thing, and many of them are at least as good if not better" like who? I'm looking for more similar stuff |
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i dont think it's emotional i also think there cant be emotion in music, just that it can tricker it in people, and maybe it triggers the same emotions with the listener as it did with the creator when making it but whatever: it dont think that's the case with ae. it's real esthetic that's all too me |
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richard devine komet +/vs. bovine life jan jelinek (the live album with computer soup) hecker (album sun pandamonium) lexaunculpt monolake meam ... |
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hey man...welcome to da board |
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agreed on the aesthetics term... if music doesn't have emotions it's not music then...just some jumbled up patterns that aren't tied in any way. |
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"just some jumbled up patterns that aren't tied in any way" now that sounds familliar... :-) |
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do not! :P |
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it's a leakage of anger in a way. |
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biggest LOL of all time |
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"ae is the shit" i nearly agree |
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big, you know that 'ae is the shit' means it's really good, right? |
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thats why he said nearly |
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yes, buti was addressing big "big," |
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why shouldn't he know? he's a massive ae fan fyi. |
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you are right. music itself is never emotional, that is always in the perception of the listener. |
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that's pretty much the point people are trying to make - it's completely subjective whether you any music evokes an emotional response from you. therefore to say that any person who makes music you don't feel as much must therefore be more of an engineer than a musician, is just silly. that's saying the "problem" lies with the people who make it, while the "problem" lies with the listener. he just doesn't hear it and that's fine. but that's still pure interpretation and says little about the musicality of a certain piece. |
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