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i really wanted to make a stupid remark, but i see there are actually people making some points here. so my point is that god is an atheist. i believe that is a rather smart observation for something as powerful as him. |
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i don't feel qualified to make a definitive conclusion as to the existance of a god. but, i've yet to see any real evidence that he exists, so i don't worry about him too much. |
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i've never seen evidence that any diety is real. so, i accept the very real possibility that they're all equally imaginary. |
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god is in the face of every child, every timed beat by autechre, every melody by aphex twin, every burrito that tastes really good (like, really really good) |
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"I reckon god is a gay cunt, hey stop's me from winning the lotto every week" hahaha |
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'If we don't know the truth (because nobody can know) then how can one opinion be more correct than another?' this is the part of the human condition that religions exploit. they want to tell us what to think, feel, and be. they are monstrous puppet masters that get off on their control of so many people. they want us all to be the same, ultimatly under their control. but we are waking up to this fact, and religions are beginning to die. the Pope knows this, so he recently urged the catholic church to "hip up" to better snare more young people. |
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DAY 2 |
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u all make things seem so simple. i love it :) |
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Gwely Mernans from South Surrey (Canada) on 2004-08-02 10:26 [#01293325] Points: 2830 Status: Addict this thread sucks, shut up, talking about this is retarded |
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Go away and read the Beano or something :) |
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well, you are saying that a scientific/logical explanation of the unknown can't be proved wrong, and maybe that's the case.. but then again, it can't be proved entirely right either. i mean, you can use all kinds of scientific knowledge to prove flaws or "inaccuracies" in the holy books, that is, point out the variation in what the books say and what has been proven by people who are knowledgeable in scientific matters.. but then again, science really give no explanation of the most important aspects of faith or religion in general, or dismisses them as being entirely delusional. you could logically break it down that every single prayer or feeling of or connection to some kind of spiritual force is false, and when people pray they are just talking to a part of themselves, etc.. but in those people's minds, they are experiencing a form of reality.. and you can't truly deny that.. you may consider it to be a delusion, and it might be, but we'd also need to consider our exposure to any higher form of thought or reality to be craziness.. and that our thoughts, experiences, and everything is just a product of chance. ...that's what i would consider god to be, a system that transcends chance, and such.. you could make the distinction, that this could be an existence with a god, but that god, or higher power of some kind, may not be omniscient, and should not be thought of as a "god" that needs to be worshipped and such. but, you could also then make the distinction that (insert a god's name here) is the true god, created the big bang etc., and has shaped the evolution of man and the universe through a system of rules and order.. through the very essence of himself/herself/itself.. remember that we can't prove or disprove that this higher force, or order, is a thinking, feeling, omniscient force, we just know that there could very likely be some kind of force that led to the existence of everything.. well, anyway, you could make the assertion that this god you m |
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...make the assertion that this god you might believe in, whichever that may be, created some basic guidelines and structure to what/who we are, our environment, etc, but also left a good deal of the goings-on of the world to us.. by giving us an ability to see ourselves and act as something separate from nature.. that has enabled us to do things that are detrimental to the world as a whole.. remember, man, or at least its most current incarnation, has been the only being able to change the world for the "worse" (..there is no good or bad in simple change, it is only detrimental for the world when that change is unnatural.) god also would have given us a sense of conscience, morals, etc.., as well as the ability or freedom to suppress them, and act in a way, singly, or collectively, that is selfish, and detrimental to the world or humanity as whole.. though you could make the case that conscience/morals are likely just an aspect taught to us by mankind/civilisation,. i believe it is partly something inborn, a product of evolution etc.. then, if there was a god, he could/would have given us a conscience through creation or evolution.. which i could see as being very similar.. except the "creation" would be the formation of a single-celled organism that would follow an innate set of order to reach where we are today. but can you really prove that it is only order or chaos? can you really prove who or what made this system of order, if that is the case, or whatever the hell it is? i really don't know, and think it's rather foolish to be too stubborn or stuck into your beliefs, whatever they may be. people just want something to answer their questions, and to justify the way they live their lives.. can you really imagine anyone living like a homicidal fiend if they truly believe that there is a god watching and judging them for what they do, unless they are entirely misinterpreting/ ignoring the main points of their religion.? or do you think there are atheists out there who truly believe ther |
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do you think there are atheists out there who truly believe there is nothing, and that the morals, etc, in their life is completely trivial, but then live their life in a chaste, devout religious-type manner, abstaining from premarital sex, or from other "sins" that really don't affect anyone but them..? most likely, no. people chose to live the way they live because of their beliefs, for the most part, and there's always an element of doubt, because nothing of this nature can be entirely proven, and i think this causes people to be so damned sensitive about religion, or so stuck into their beliefs.. because they feel their soul could be at stake if they are wrong, or that they could be wasting their life praying and appeasing a god that does not exist.. but many believe in parts of a religion, or have a certain spiritual connection, but do not believe with the church or holy books as a whole, because those would not be entirely direct products of god. that doesn't mean that god couldn't have played a role by these things influencing through positive means, but god would not have written the holy book, wouldn't have been the one to translate each and every word numerous times, choose the end product from a great deal of holy books, and more importantly, write the actual words directly from the author's hands.. but does the fact that the pages come from the hand of man mean that there cannot be any bit of spiritual influence or "divine truth" in them at all? remember, i'm speaking theoretically, as if god does exist, here.. you could say: if god exists, wouldn't he step in and declare that all religions are misrepresenting him? but again, he/she/it would've given us the choice to follow the teachings and/or overlook the lesser-important manmade bits that maybe were not meant to be there, or to dismiss it entirely and try to live in a ethical way to our own standards. the most important aspects of these holy books is they teach good principles to people who would maybe hopelessly have n |
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..teach good principles to people who would maybe hopelessly have none if it weren't for religion, and keeps people contentedly in order in a world where we otherwise would be disjointed, besides race/nationality, and like-mindedness.. you could say that religion causes most conflict, but we have no idea what the world would be like if there were a bunch of former weak-minded-religious-zealots turned easily-influence-able-atheists everywhere. true, they would have no religion to die for then, but the many people who were following the teachings of their religion 'correctly', in fear of the consequences of acting self-interestedly, would have no reason to continue living peacefully with those they are so very different from, if there is no god telling them to 'love their neighbour'. . organised religion is neither entirely good or bad. and, also we all know this, but it's not the actual events of most of the stories in holy books that are important, it is the meaning and morals to them. could it be that a higher power/god influenced these motives/deeper meanings of the stories, but did not exactly shape the events that occurred, or the exact way that they were written..? much like the possible course of all occurrence..? remember, the goal of the holy books at the time was to explain the nature of the "holiness" in a figurative way that the average person could understand.. we are now at a time where we can think for ourselves, and realise that everything is not always clear-cut and easy to swallow, and our basic ideas and concepts of existence are disprovable.. but the fundamental and most important aspects/implications of religious faith, etc, are yet to be entirely explained or disproved, or dismissed completely.. the slight 'delusion' could be a varying aspect of an organism's subjective intake of reality, much like our ability to see things in colour as apposed to a dog's ability to see the world in monochrome.. each viewpoint is both reality, but each is a little altered,.. but s |
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..but each is a little altered,.. but still real. a nude, seductively-posed woman might look disgusting from a completely objective robot-like standpoint, but because of our human nature, to a man, it most likely looks extremely inviting and appealing. that is the force that enables to exist, and really, no different then the force that enables anything to exist.. it is just a drive for continuation, unquestioningly.. but we are now at a point where collectively and individually, we have the mental capacity to question every aspect of the seemingly-perpetual essence of ourselves and existence, the very force that must have started some time, completely at random, or has existed forever in a way we just cannot comprehend. we can dismiss all that we see ingrained in our heads as being 'beautiful' as nothing more than a motivation from an unseeing, complex, completely logical and imperceptible force or energy,. or it could be something somehow a bit more than that. are you going to look at the driving force of existence as being simply a power with nothing but itself to thank for existing, or is it maybe something more or less unexplainable? through spirituality, could there be a possibility to make a slight connection with this force or existence, through a belief in nature/the divine other than our simple, solitary goal/incentive/drive to procreate..? if god did exist, and created the groundwork for our word/existence why would (s)he/it not set it up in a way were we could doubt? what would the point of a limited existence be, in a world where there is no doubt, and you could pick up a single book that would explain everything truthfully and exactly, or where you just have to wait around to die so you could be rewarded with an afterlife..? i guess, what i am just saying is, a god may or may not exist regardless of what holy books say, or related things science determines.. whew! |
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Q4Z2X: Finally! Somebody with an open mind! What you have written is extremely complex and contains many things that I have thought about in my short life. I know you don't believe these things but you haven't dismissed them yet, which I think is brilliant. Science covers the one dimension of, well, science but it does not cover what we feel, why we are here, why we are the only species with an imagination, why there is emotion, why we have a choice, why nobody can know what happens after death, or other worldly forces. I am so happy to see some one who understands something other than logic. |
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it puts the jesus in its heart or else it gets the hose again |
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You'll be preaching the virtues of creationism at this rate... |
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All of these things are within the realms of science though if only you took the time to look and learn. Incidentally, when we die it's game over as far as we are concerned. The mind is inextricably linked to the brain. Damage the brain and more often than not you damage the mind with it. Kill the brain, kill the mind. You die, your mind dies. |
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No! What about out of body experiences? One time this man leaves his body, is true, scientists weigh him and everything. |
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"are you going to look at the driving force of existence as being simply a power with nothing but itself to thank for existing" Who says existence has a driving force? |
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There is no evidence to substantiate that OBEs actually happen. |
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Haha! Then what's this on your shoulder? :: fwap :: |
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One thing that comes to mind reading your posts is this question: If theists cannot agree on a common concept of god, how can they be sure there is a god at all? |
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