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the NME being the perfect example of this. thats the kind of journalism i find so pitiful - when they build someone unknown up, massively overhyping them. quite a lot of people take the nme's opinions seriously - so it's not long before the artist gets airplay, makes mtv & ends up in all kinds of other mags. just as the hype is at its peak & the band release their next album, nme turn on them, accusing them of 'selling out'. such a crass & unfair tactic |
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oh everyone full well knows it's just opinion, but does it have to be worded in such an awful way? some of the worst writing I have ever seen is on that site. |
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i wonder what pitchfork think about this site :) |
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for acrid milk hall [#01253815] oh right you know some people! super! i maintain what i say, and the fact that i said "mostly".... |
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ha ha! we can only imagine.. :) |
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The quote that will always stand out in my mind goes a bit like this- Warp artists are the pirates that wear golden eyepatches and bionic hooks and babysit your children, or something like that. It was in some Plaid review, and I couldn't make hide nor hair of it then or now. |
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i love reading pretentious claptrap if only to say it IS pretentious claptrap! :) |
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what's not to get? i remember when that review came up and everyone here was all up in arms like it was the most confusing thing in the universe... sure the conceit might be absolutely absurd, but it's also kinda funny... |
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i really dislike, as a general rule, top-down critical writing on music. it bores me half to death. when i read it, i skim, and it's purely a means to an end (discovering new music) rather than an enjoyable activity in and of itself. that said, i visit pitchfork every couple of days, and download some of the stuff that sounds interesting, and i've discovered a lot of good music this way.. their notwist - neon golden review got me into morr music and lali puna and other artists i now really like, for one example. i don't agree or disagree with their scores, methodology or perceived pretentiousness.. i just don't care for it. i skim through it like it's newspaper headlines. for music discussion, i much prefer xltronic-time musings, because they aren't, for the most part, trying to deny the subjectivity of impressions and/or trying to cloak them as absolute truths. it's just a bunch of people sharing music experiences and some smiles. |
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what do you mean when you say "top-down"? i'm sorry, i've heard the expression before... i really shouldn't have to ask... it's just that i'm stupid... ...did i ever mention how much i hate playing the role of the pitchfork apologist here? i go to much more snobby websites to find most stuff these days... :P |
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err.. no need to be a cunt about it.. MATE maintain all you like - based on my experience (which is all we can do in these circumstances), your post was a massive generalisation based on.. err.. nothing |
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ok then MATE didn't want to come across like that maybe i was a bit to general in what i said but honestly i didn't say that out of nowhere. but sure, there are loads of journalists out there who do not even "dabble" should i say, in music. yes i generalized a tad. and as for saying: "...your post was a massive generalisation based on.. err.. nothing..." how the absolute fuck do you know that? the "nothing" bit i would describe also as "cuntish". :) (: |
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that's why i said it. ;) solely because you didn't seem prepared to back up what you'd said with any more than opinion - which is essentially what journalists do. i'm well aware that there are plenty of failed musicians who take on journalism as a way of excorcising their demons. their own music was so bad they try and carve a living out of slating everyone elses hard work. they think they can make & break people's careers based on their narrowminded sayso.. a few years back i'd have even generalised as you did and say that it was more or less everyone. but in the last few years i've made some good friends who are striving to pass constructive comment on the music they love (in a more organised forum than this messageboard). they're not failed musicians (and nor am i; as i've gradually become more involved in this kind of work) and they're well aware that what they say is only their opinion. everyone sounds off about the things they experience, it's just that these people do it in a public forum.. the finished artefact is only ever intended as a talking point: an introduction to the uninitiated (we all have to start somewhere), and a source of controversy for the veterans. like i say, i can only speak for myself and the people i know. i just find it damaging to tar whole cross-sections of people with the same brush.. under any circumstance. |
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i thought in my previous post i admitted to over generalising and i thought you got what i meant...... but no, you're still on about me "tarring whole cross-sections of people with the same brush.." you seem to be trying to make a point with "experience"...i could start but i just dont feel i have to explain my past and present life on here.. wich you might think you have by saying you have "mates" and stuff....... but yeah i was hasty, it's fucking obvious it doesn't apply for all.... sigh.. yawn...pisss but one last time just in case : I OVER GENERALIZED AND I AM VERY SORRY |
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i think pitchfork is one very serious and professional e-zine, as far as music journalism goes.. in fact, i cant find a better one online... |
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not to mention the humor... |
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no need to take it so seriously.. and less of the inverted commas please, i might start to think you were being sarcastic. ;P |
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yeah "right" |
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hey acrid i was only answering back. i'm pretty sure none of us took this seriously but when i'm on here i can get bored and it seemed appropriate to answer someone who is adressing me something. :) |
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ok. fine. no worries. let's forget about it, eh? it's not that important. :) |
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HAHA you carry on with a "tone" implying i am taking this all serious and you aren't. why am i writing? coz i am bored and i dont think it's important . we just had a little conversation so why come across as a tit and post [#01257223? it's actually more of a laught to me, as it is to you but then why the presumptuous tone? if you honestly say i am paranoid in my interpretation then i owe you one! :) last one i promise, i'm sure this is tedious or something to you but it shouldn't... yet i'm probably coming across as an arsehole while desperatly trying not to. but i must insist: " a bored arsehole" |
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no in fact i just read the thread again and i think you are the arsehole. saying that i base my words on er...nothing. that i generalise and most importantly that you know better as you have mates and stuff. me replying to these attacks then leads into me being a cunt, even though i agree with you on having been a bit harsh. i stll wanna have my say but then suddenly none of this matters and i should shut my trap or otherwise come across as the weepy guy who takes things to importantly.........when really all i'm doing is replying... so i take this as all rather insulting, MATE. and before you say i take this way too seriously, i dont! i have a laugh posting, dont we all? |
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