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You can look at two groups of chimpanzees "at war" (seen it on the discovery channel) and still wonder about exactly what's going on. Are they fighting over scarce resources? Are they fighting over neverending retaliation for previous fights? Is it genetic in nature? If life is something like an enormous cellular automata, a brain could never possibly know what's going on exactly. |
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yes, yes, and yes |
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territory and power...in general humans see wealth = power. Which is exactly what this particular 'war' is about. The US had enough on it's plate after 9/11...but Bush ceased the opportunity to illegally invade a muslim nation for material gain. He increased the strength of the enemy after he had already declared war. The sooner the people of the US get rid of him the better. |
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but as long as we have the news in america shifting all blame elsewhere... the average "patriotic" american, will vote for bush. |
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I suppose at the expense of a greedy tyrannic minority? It's still interesting to me how minorities can obtain so much power over majorities, like hitler's posse for example. I guess they simply take advantage of people's desire for money by paing people to act forcefully on their behalf (an army)... plus having the money for advanced weapons. Money equals power... the scientists should get all the money. They tend to know enough to bypass their innate selfishness. This world could be a fucking eutopia nearly. Eh, maybe not. Some serious painless human world population reducing method would be needed before a grand way of life could be established though. We could start by killing all the jews for example. They're not real people so it's not unethical to kill them. |
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the problem is that smart people, realize what a shitty job president is, and so the people that run, are power hungry idiots. |
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charismatic leaders and knowledge of how to use rhetoric to your advantage is very powerful. throw some religion in there for good measure. and fabricate some kind of common enemy to focus your people's frustration and anger. produce a few positive results and we're hooked. humans have a streak of teh herd mentality a mile wide. |
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agreed. |
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agreed x2 |
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Maybe wealth really is power, like nothing else, a direct measure of it. If you have a little bit of money you only have the "power" to buy a cheap car and apartment. If you have a lot of money you have the "power" to buy political elections (if that's really how it works) a boat, a plane, an army... Maybe the current problem is it's too easy for morons to get lots of power/money. What could bill gates do if he got really really pissed? Could he buy an army and fuck shit up? Maybe find some other billionaire allies and join forces? heh. |
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which really baffles me when it comes to dubya, cause he's neither charismatic nor does he seem to posess much knowledge. i guess having a wildly powerful dad and a brother in the right place at the right time goes a long way too. |
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do you forget his opposition in the last election :D |
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oh yeah. :) |
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ha ha, it's quite a simple problem at the core of all this political insanity then. Scholars/scientists should devise an intelligent way to overwrite the system and start taking control by force as a group somehow, causing the least pain possible. |
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you type seeminly intellectual nonsense :P |
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i wonder what steven hawking thinks about all of this |
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I doubt the multi millionaire egotistical scientist is particularly bothered. |
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If people want to know the true nature of governments/ politics/ the us/ etc. they should probably read history about old wars such as ww2 etc instead of the current one, given that old wars have been dissected by scholars and the current one is filled with politically biased information. Not that I've read much at all on the subject myself. "military science" is interesting from the small bit I've read. It's an intelligent arms race... well would be intelligent if it were applied to something fun like a videogame instead of killing... ok, even then it would be unintelligent... |
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all of his money goes into updating the mac voice. he is as broke as you or i |
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The analysig of past wars is just a biased as current ones. Just ask hyakusen who knows that a Polish wing command actually saved the world. |
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ha ha, I truly might. I have a fucked up mind extremely narrow in subjects of knowledge. I've read a hell of a lot about things of long time spans like evolution/ biology but am very lacking in human politics/culture. Plus I have some sort of mind plague I think. I think I might be different than other people somehow, but you can only expect odd individuals with odd mutations in a species that has nearly stopped natural selection. Unless my mind plague was caused or half caused by culture. But I think modern culture is certainly ill enough to produce some oddities. |
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w M w, do you live in the us? i think i might write you in on my ballot. would you make me secretary of sushi if you won? |
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You can be secretary of sushi, but we'll never get into power if we use the current voting method. Plus if hamanity really tried to give the most... ethical unselfish learned individuals power, I sure as hell wouldn't qualify. |
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I'm gunna go through the whirl crater aka. "the time gate". Back to the summer of '69.. |
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Have you checked out yet? |
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1. do not trust news you read. 2. government? 3. don't trust media, they need slaves. 4. use internet only on purpose 5. There is a reason for war far beoyond our comprehension if we ignore some obvious things such as America not wanting to use its natural resources. |
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War is affecting me too, since I am not quite a follower of mainstream. For example I am sitting here on Sat. night not having anyone to go anywhere with, since most places play disco. Well, see Disco was a resemblance of murderers in Serbia. People who listened stuff like Nirvana (before kurt's death) were the opposition. Here, Disco is everyone while good rock is for people who are dirt of the planet. I was hoping for several years that IDM will be my sactuary, a neutral ground. That is why I was around for several years. Observing people and learning them. I learned a lot. It makes me even more lonely, but at least I can cope with it knowing certain things.... Discriminate whomever you want and you won't go wrong. Discrimination is like a horoscope. |
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- as one guy said to me "You are either one of us, or you are not with us". |
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well rap seems to be a genre that is social, and aggresive in nature which is fitting since it has african origins, I suppose, and that continent is filled with furious ruthless run away natural selection to produce aggressive animals. You're supposed to play it loud in your car to intimidate other people and stuff. rappers diss other rappers etc. "idm" a term that I'm hoping is to be replaced (the term is used less frequently) is much more about introverted unpolitical aesthetics it seems. There is a subculture but I'm not part of it aside from this messageboard. |
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whatever happened to "don't worry be happy" ? |
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Don't worry about it. The vast majority of "new" has little to no measurable impact on your reality. What is the total result of the war in iraq for you? Petrol is a few cents more. Whoop de doo. |
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you could still have an interest in the rest of the world that goes beyond just how it directly affects how much money you'll have to spend. to me it's pretty cynical to think just about how it affects "your reality". |
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i wish i had your state of mind |
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this years eurovision song contest was kind of sad |
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whatever happened to "don't worry be happy" ? Someone played it to pope. |
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What's the point in letting things upset you (which is all it achieves in many cases) if you have no control over it? It's not just money I was talking about and it's rather base of you to assume that I was. September 11th = fewer liberities increased security (planned introduction of ID cards in the UK). Tell me honestly, what do you "get" out of reading about/seeing the plight of people abroad? Unless it affects you enough to give either time or money towards the issue (volunteering for aid agencies, donating money to refugee/war charities) it does nothing but get you down. |
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(it was just as base of me to assume that as it was of you to give that example.) on your question what I "get" out of it - it's a geniune interest in what is happening in the world that I live in. not everybody gets depressed by reading newspapers and watching the news. for one thing, it gives me the feeling that I have some idea of what's happening in the world. so when something big happens that does come close to my reality - for example, terrorist attacks like the one in Spain, I do actually have some inkling how things got this far, where this possibly comes from, thus not having a kneejerk-reaction, as a lot of people will have because they're scared and ignorant (a nasty combination). it's never wrong to keep yourself informed, I think. |
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the way we affect what's going on is by being informed, talking about it with people, and making our opinions known. i think public opinion certainly matters. maybe it doesn't produce immediate results, but it most definately sways government's decisions. and, the ultimate way we can have influence is with our vote. how do you plan to make an intelligent decision on who makes the actual policies that your gov'ts sets forth if you're not paying attention? |
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aye. exactly. |
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i'm with you 101%. it's a fucked up world we live in. |
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i do not generally abandon the basic relationship within the human race. that might sound a bit retarded, but i care. i do not solely look at the 5 inches before my two feet. |
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