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bogala
from NYC (United States) on 2004-02-10 18:47 [#01067608]
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He better get used to anal sex. Actually, does the uk have pound you in the ass sex in their prisons?
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ecnadniarb
on 2004-02-10 18:47 [#01067609]
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If I get into a fight in the street and the other person was equally willing to get into the fight but I ended up killing him, I would get life for manslaughter. Why should this fool get off with anything less?
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Asche XL
on 2004-02-10 18:58 [#01067624]
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YEah man I completely agree with you. He should have gotten atleast 50yrs in prison. Fuck this
1) he wasent suppose to be here 2) he wasent suppose to be driving 3)killed a boy
fuck him, and his family.
You know what I hate? All the fuckin' spanish people that flock to america. Get the hell out, stop waiting on the st for a job, it's holding up traffic.
And another thing, if you live here, speak english. Thank you and goodnight.
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Zephyr Twin
from ΔΔΔ on 2004-02-10 19:02 [#01067629]
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you know, unless you are native american, your ancestors were in the same position as those spanish people at one point in time. (leaving their country for the U.S. because it gave them opportunities that would probably never be possible in their homeland).
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tolstoyed
from the ocean on 2004-02-10 19:03 [#01067633]
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they all just wanted to get something for free.
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Asche XL
on 2004-02-10 19:08 [#01067638]
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Yeah I'm saying i'm against foreigners. I'm not, at all.
I'm against the spanish familes coming over illegaly with 232183973 memebrs in their family standing out in the st looking for work ( aka day laborors). Then, the lucky ones (fuck them) get jobs that require human interaction/communication and get mad AT YOU FOR NOT KNOWING SPANISH. What the fuck is this? Welcome to america, learn english. If i moved to France or germany god only knows I'd learn the fuckin language before I got a job. I wouldnt stand there with a blank/pissed off look on my face if someone was speaking the countrys native tounge at me. God damn i hate them.
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Asche XL
on 2004-02-10 19:09 [#01067639]
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Ops, correction on my first scentence. IT's suppose to read :
"Yeah, I'm NOT saying I'm against foreigners."
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ecnadniarb
on 2004-02-10 19:11 [#01067644]
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Actually in some states I think Spanish is spoken by a higher proportion of residents as a first language than English...I think California is nearly at that level if not already there.
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Zephyr Twin
from ΔΔΔ on 2004-02-10 19:14 [#01067648]
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I agree about the language thing.. I think they should definately have to use English, but it's not like education in English is readily available in countries as poor as mexico. They are going to have to be here for a while before they can learn the language, so in the mean time your only option is to put up with them, unless you either a)kill them all, or b)find a way to get them all out of the US.
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Asche XL
on 2004-02-10 19:15 [#01067649]
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*Rubs chin in deep thought*
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Zephyr Twin
from ΔΔΔ on 2004-02-10 19:16 [#01067652]
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haha
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ecnadniarb
on 2004-02-10 19:17 [#01067653]
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Why should they learn English if they move into the US??? Lets not forget the first European colonial landings were by the Spanish. Maybe you should be more culturally diverse yourself and speak Spanish, especially as you have access to the education to do so.
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bogala
from NYC (United States) on 2004-02-10 19:24 [#01067666]
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mexican. not spanish
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bogala
from NYC (United States) on 2004-02-10 19:30 [#01067682]
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unless you're talking about the latin invasion, which gave us such saucy greats as ricky martin and penelope cruz
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Asche XL
on 2004-02-10 19:31 [#01067686]
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NO WAY am I ever learning spanish. Everything here is in spanish, why should we cater to them so much??
I know 2 languages and am planning on studying german. Atleast they can do is learn english. I have no problem with foreigners like I said. I just have a problem with the illegal mexians coming here and either a) begging for jobs in the st b) getting a job in which communication is necessary and not knowing any english. I hate it so goddamn much you have no idea, that and people who don't signal while driving. Damn them too.
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ecnadniarb
on 2004-02-10 19:32 [#01067687]
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But what gives you the right to dictate what language is spoken in the land of your residence?
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Asche XL
on 2004-02-10 19:41 [#01067703]
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Oh come on man, now your just busting my balls. You honestly can't understand what I'm saying.?!?! I'm sure you'd get just as pissed if you've been in the situation and/or had them wondering your neighborhood. Most of them cause nothing but trouble anyway! ( speaking of people who cause nothing but trouble and are of no use to society dont even get me started on "thugs")No one gives me the right to anything. I'm just excercizing my freedom of speech to say I hate those people with every bone in my body, agree with me or not. I have friends from many different races/nationalities ( white, black, spanish, french, german, english, italian, lithuanian, guyanese etc) you don't see me sneakin in their country and causing trouble do you?
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bogala
from NYC (United States) on 2004-02-10 19:43 [#01067709]
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but I like burritos? What about taco bell? Do they have to leave, too? Cilantro in beef burritos is to die for.
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bogala
from NYC (United States) on 2004-02-10 19:47 [#01067712]
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I saw you sneaking in to the land of homosexon, but you speak the language.
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DeLtoiD
from Ontario on 2004-02-10 19:47 [#01067714]
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"you don't see me sneakin in their country and causing trouble do you?"
yes, i do. you belligerent schmuck.
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Asche XL
on 2004-02-10 19:49 [#01067717]
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huh? I'm done...
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ecnadniarb
on 2004-02-10 19:49 [#01067718]
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haha...yeah who would have thought the US could ever be accused of interfering with other countried affairs.
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bogala
from NYC (United States) on 2004-02-10 19:57 [#01067727]
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Don't get started Englishman.
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ecnadniarb
on 2004-02-10 20:00 [#01067728]
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Who you calling Englishman?
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JivverDicker
from my house on 2004-02-10 20:10 [#01067730]
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hee hee, Asche is a complete bigot racist without knowing it... I've got as many preducies as the next asian gentleman but there's some obvious things that are right.
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Zephyr Twin
from ΔΔΔ on 2004-02-10 20:39 [#01067744]
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Umm, maybe because that is the language that is spoken here? You were probably joking anyway, but seriously that is the worst argument ever. There is just no reason I should learn spanish (even though I've 4 years of study in it) because of immigrants to MY country. How does it make sense for an entire country to cater to a small percentage of it's population, most of which are there illegally anyway, by learning their native language? If I went to Mexico (rural areas that wouldn't have people who speak english), you wouldn't see the entire population drop what they are doing to learn English so that I know what the fuck is going on. They would react the exact same way I am now, and you know it.
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Zephyr Twin
from ΔΔΔ on 2004-02-10 20:40 [#01067745]
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I've had*
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JivverDicker
from my house on 2004-02-10 20:46 [#01067746]
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C'mon Zephyr, where is your family from originally?
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ecnadniarb
on 2004-02-10 20:47 [#01067747]
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Throughout history the national language of countries have changed with migrant movement. The fact of the matter is that it isn't YOUR country at all. Your existance is your business however you, nor anyone else has a right to dictate to people what language they choose to speak. If they want access to the services provided by an English speaking government who are unwilling to make provisions for dealing in the claiments native tongue then of course they should learn the language. However, Spanish settlements have existed in the US for at least as long as English. Your arguement is just the usual white english speaking american view that it is only right and proper you force your own cultural identity onto everyone else.
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Asche XL
on 2004-02-10 20:48 [#01067748]
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Bigot Racist? Who's group am I partial to? What race do i hate? I never said I hate a race, I said I hate illegal mexicans who sworm this country like bees to honey. I have 2 mexican friends who are fluent in both languages, going to college and have a bright future ahead of them. I don't have anything against anyones race or nationality, but when you come here and start fuckin around I mean that's just a stupid. Illegal immigrants, get out or do what you have to do to come here legally, drop the 'tude and learn the language. Get off the sts, stop hangin in front of 7-11's stealin kids lunch money.
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Asche XL
on 2004-02-10 20:51 [#01067752]
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So if a bunch of french go over to germany and impose their culture on the country germany should just be like well the french are coming lets toss german out the window?
That's bs, no ones trying to impose shit. And you my friend are just speaking as a typical US hater.
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ecnadniarb
on 2004-02-10 20:59 [#01067756]
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No however if a group of French people decided to settle in a French community in Germany, and the German government had provisions in place to deal with them in French then I think it would be totally inappropriate for the german government to force them to adopt what would be perceived as a german cultural identity.
And you think I am a US hater because I am sticking up with the Spanish speaking communities right to speak their native language? They aren't part of the US?
You talk of entire cultural groups as though they are one body. That is like me saying you personally are a twat for going into Iraq and bombing the shit out of them for their oil. However I try to deal with everyone as an individual and respect them, their views, and their cultural identity on that basis.
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ecnadniarb
on 2004-02-10 21:00 [#01067757]
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and much more of this and I will be one of xltronics "thoughest" posters. :D
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Zephyr Twin
from ΔΔΔ on 2004-02-10 21:00 [#01067758]
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im not forcing my cultural identity on anyone. I do not have a problem with the fact that languages change with migrant movement. So when the Spanish speaking population of the United States surpasses that of Enlgish speaking, by all means we should all learn Spanish, but until that day it just WOULDN'T MAKE SENSE.
"If they want access to the services provided by an English speaking government who are unwilling to make provisions for dealing in the claiments native tongue then of course they should
learn the language."
Oh, so you mean like, the way it already it is now?
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JivverDicker
from my house on 2004-02-10 21:02 [#01067759]
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ho ho! I know it's early but go to bed. You're talking shit. Read up on american history, it's not that hard of a read, maybe a few hundred years... maybe ask someone to explain the difficult parts. You didn't say where you're from originally?
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Zephyr Twin
from ΔΔΔ on 2004-02-10 21:02 [#01067760]
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my family origin is Hungarian, Italian, and German... what does this have to do with anything?
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JivverDicker
from my house on 2004-02-10 21:06 [#01067763]
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the language you speak, the heritage you've deneid etc.
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ecnadniarb
on 2004-02-10 21:07 [#01067765]
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I'm sorry but Spanish provisions are made in states with high Spanish speaking populations, so it's not at all like it is now.
If you don't want to learn Spanish then don't, just don't force people to learn English.
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Zephyr Twin
from ΔΔΔ on 2004-02-10 21:11 [#01067769]
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Well, I guess I could go out of my way to learn all three of those languages, never mind the fact that it would be a waste of time since I would have no one to speak them to and I would eventually end up forgetting them... your point?
previous post: English*, already it is now*
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ecnadniarb
on 2004-02-10 21:14 [#01067770]
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I am learning Hungarian at the moment because my best friend is of Hungarian origin but dyslexic so I am learning it at the same time as him to help him through with it before he goes to visit family next summer (I'll fuck off over to Budapest at the same time for a holiday though :D).
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Zephyr Twin
from ΔΔΔ on 2004-02-10 21:17 [#01067772]
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that's pretty cool of you.. I would like to learn Hungarian but it would be a waste with no one to talk to.
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ecnadniarb
on 2004-02-10 21:19 [#01067775]
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It's a mad language...very little in common at all with other european languages...it is actually most closely related to distant syberian languages. I am finding it more interesting than learning Spanish though (which I know enough to get by on) :D
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Asche XL
on 2004-02-10 21:23 [#01067779]
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I'm talking shit? Oh man, thanks for telling me. Heehee I can't believe I didn't realize! Thanks for letting me know, I gotta go find someone to help me read. Night all.
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bogala
from NYC (United States) on 2004-02-10 21:26 [#01067781]
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The French are enforcing their frenchness on their citizens by making disrobe all religous regalia.. That's pretty fucked up. And if the US had done this people would be burning flags and lighting Ronald Mcdonald on fire.
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ecnadniarb
on 2004-02-10 21:28 [#01067783]
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I disagree with that as well, part of me just thinks that is partly down to misguided good intentions though.
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bogala
from NYC (United States) on 2004-02-10 21:33 [#01067793]
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Well, of course. Cause they aren't Americans. They have gas lamps still for fuck sakes,
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bogala
from NYC (United States) on 2004-02-10 23:20 [#01067845]
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Actually, I have never been to Paris. I have no clue if they still use gas lamps.
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REFLEX
from Edmonton, Alberta (Canada) on 2004-02-10 23:23 [#01067846]
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man, a friend of mine was killed by a drunk driver 3 years ago, and the killer got 1 year house arrest for it, and thats it.
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jonesy
from Lisboa (Portugal) on 2004-02-11 03:07 [#01067913]
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You turned it into a race issue by saying the fact he "shouldn't have been in the country" compounded his guilt. You stupid racist twat.
Qualify why you think he shouldn't have been here and why that makes his crime worse?
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jonesy
from Lisboa (Portugal) on 2004-02-11 03:09 [#01067916]
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I was also wondering what the sentence should be for UK troops who shoot Iraqi civilians "accidentally". They also should not be in the country.
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