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this shows I don't take politics too seriously). Secondly is that the idea that other people have an obligation to "carry" the weak, foolish and idle is so off the wall to me I can't bear to vote for anything that would increase this mentality in our society. A point in my favour is that I've been a tory since I thought as an adult and I will probably continue to be for the rest of my life. Thats got to be better than these kids who are apolitical till they go to uni, buy into liberal leftist nonsense (BIG "nb" here... I'm not decrying liberal or leftist politics, I'm talking about the idiotic, utterly impractical, never voted in in a million years, really loony lefty ideas that a large number of politically active students seem to get upon going to university) for the time they're there and then two years out of college and in the real world and paying tax, they become more right wing than Ian Duncan Smith. On the matter of arts/politics... I like to keep them seperate. Tony Blair's music sucks (although, I don't like his politics either :P - just using his as an example as he plays); in a similar way, I think a lot of artists (not just musicians) politics are ridiculosly idealistic and in no way pragmatic. Doesn't stop me enjoying their art though... Similarly I don't write people off as friends because they have even diametrically opposed religious or political beliefs to myself. I don't take it seriously enough to say, "I won't be mates with you, commie scum." |
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excuse me, but using your vote to balance out other people's votes for the reasons you mentioned is just as dumb. |
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OMFG! she actually said that?? |
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No I don`t think anything less of you. My dad`s a Labour policitian. But i refuse to join the Labour party because I don`t agree with their policies. All this New Labour nonsense. If Labour did genuinly represent the common worker, which is how they got their name then I would consider voting for them. But I refuse to vote tory because I disagree strongly with their policies aswell. I have met some really nice Tories through my dad. Like this Lord who was a tory peer. Nice chap. Everyone is only human. To be honest, British politics isn`t in a good state. Tony Blair is a liar. The tories are a mess. It`s no wonder that voter apathy is so rife these days. |
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another quote: "We need to execute people like John Walker in order to physically intimidate liberals, by making them realize that they can be killed too! Other wise they will turn out to be out right traitors" |
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No, it's funny and bloody minded. Like I said, I don't take politics that seriously. If I did, I'd be out there starting a new party that had policies I completely agreed on, rather than just a few I like and some other ones that are better than the alternatives proposed. And if anyone feels like ripping into anything I said in my answer to mc_303, feel free. I won't ban you for calling me a Tory wanker. I fully expected some sort of backlash... that's what you get for being honest :) |
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Yes, definately. I used to work as a labourer and a gardener so I've got lots of proper "worker" mates. I feel sorry that there's not really any party to represent their interests currently in the country... And yes, you meet all sorts of people who you'd never guess their politics from their appeareance or behaviour. Most people who see the way I usually dress assume I'm a liberal student and caught quite off guard if politics comes up :). Today I was talking with a counciller (not about politics...)and I assumed he was a Tory. Turns out he's our local labour counciller. |
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COULTER: I take the biblical idea. God gave us the earth. PETER FENN (Democratic strategist): Oh, OK. COULTER: We have dominion over the plants, the animals, the trees. FENN: This is a great idea. COULTER: God says, "Earth is yours. Take it. Rape it. It's yours." FENN: Terrific. We're Americans, so we should consume as much of the earth's resources... COULTER: Yes! Yes. I really hope she is in no position of power because she really scares me |
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"We should invade their countries, kill their leaders and convert them to Christianity. We weren't punctilious about locating and punishing only Hitler and his top officers. We carpet-bombed German cities; we killed civilians. That's war. And this is war." yes, these are real quotes be afraid... be very afraid |
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Don't worry Pantalaimon... she's just a tory lawyer who is a well known figure in right wing politics- she doesn't have any real signicicant power base. Her constant defence of Bush isn't indicative of her being in his inner circle or anything... just that she hates people focusing on attacking his character rather than engaging in serious political debate. |
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* and she only has 145 "fans" worldwide (source: her website...) That's about under a 100th of RDJ and Co. ;) |
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..? "oh man, I just made a funny vote! oh wait till I tell you about this one.. it's a corker!!" |
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"If those kids had been carrying guns they would have gunned down this one [child] gunman. ... Don't pray. Learn to use guns." does she actually believe in the things she says? Has she got a history of mental illness? |
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I don't think it's very strange people attack him on his character, simply because there isn't anything else to attack. he will not go into political debate with anyone. he sure did not get to power because of his political idea's. if this man can break his way into the white house, what is the point of serious political debate? it's all means nothing. |
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so we should consume as much of the earth's resources... COULTER: Yes! Yes. now thats funny :D |
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Obviously, you take politics seriously and my "childish" view is offensive to you. I'd argue that you're the one with the problem. There's not a lot of point in getting really het up about politics as unless you're going to become someone like Hitler, Ghandi or Bush for that matter, your political achievements will, for all the effort you put into them, amount to diddly squat in the great scheme of things. |
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"Limp-Wristed Liberal Traitor Of the Day Award" apparently she gives out this award for anyone who gives her book a bad review |
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she sounds insane, does she not? |
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absolutely , i had a really good laugh :D (pantalaimon) |
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though when you think about it she s NOT very funny ......brrrrr |
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how about some generalizing? wink wink. some people who are ideologues, liberal or conservative, seem to uncritically accept any data or evidence that supports their positions. someone says wifebeating picks up during the superbowl, liberals fall all over themselves to reproduce the "fact." someone says there are more native americans today than there were 300 years ago, conservatives put their hands together and say "of course!" it occurs to me, however, that liberals tend to err on the side of giving people the benefit of the doubt. conservatives seem focused on dividing people into "winners" and "losers," and tend to often expect the worst of people. people are drawn to a firebrand like anne coulter because she seems smart (maybe she is), and she's clever enough to be able to produce what seems on the surface an easy answer for any issue, an answer that taps into certain american prejudices and presumptions and then implies a black and white conclusion. for example, the belief that a democratic republic is a superior form of government, leads to the assumption that the united states government is above reproach, and the end (promoting similar governments) justifies any means (warfare, subversion of socialist governments, terrorism). |
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there's also the easy answer approach. someone hit you? hit them back! the only other option coulter would acknowledge in this scenario is to back down, and appear weak. someone hates you? hate them back! again, coulter's only acknowledged option would be to "make them love you," (delivered in a simpering, whiny voice for effect). one of the best tools for determining the agenda of an individual is to ask, does this person use their rhetoric to divide people against each other, or work to find common ground and goals? does this person fan the flames of conflict, or work towards resolution? anne coulter is one product of the great lie that the peaceful are weak, and that the only way to assert strength is through attack. anyone remember rush limbaugh? |
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excellent articulate point. |
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Ceri: I'm not being funny here but I can't see a distinction between the Tories and New Labour. Hence the increasingly low turnout in elections. Also, people don't vote Labour because they've been brought up to do so. If you look at the south Wales valleys for example. These places had an organised trade union movement and people ACTIVELY participated in politics at one time. It was in their interests to fight for better pay and conditions and this logic fed into memebership of the Labour Party. |
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Good point Plaid, but some folks can't come to common terms. Some folks want too much and won't compromise unless forced to. It's a sad fact. This can be said for all sides and factions. |
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bogala, and yet people are designed to change. therefore there is always hope. true, we may see this civilization destroyed first, but the story of humanity is only beginning... |
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blah blah blah. i fucking hate politics! the more you know, the less you know. i'm really just sick of it all. damn, it's so frustrating. all these people with diametrically opposed views all knowing they're right. what's a person to do? |
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one could argue that people like Hitler or Bush could come to power for a great part because people do not take politics seriously. |
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oh and I do not take offense to your choices, Ceri. it's your vote. but it just seems the wrong place to try to be 'funny'. an ironic vote - pointless on all levels, but foremost on the funny level. |
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She is an inflamatory cunt a la Rush Limbaugh. The reason liberals dont have these types of bombastic cheerleaders is because nobody would pay any attention to them and they would go away. Meanwhile conservatives prop up these hate-mongers because they say the things every skeevy-hearted conservative wishes they could say, but dont have the balls to. Why? Because they know they are wrong. They know that their views are inherintly self-serving and superficial. The sad part is that in America anyway, the Republican party only serves the richest top ten percent of the population and still manages to win elections by brainwashing fools with delusions of grandeur or aspirations of greatness into thinking that they will share with them. Its the rich white boy's club that all the racist, small-dicked, homophobic mommy-lovers want in on. |
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If there was a "serious" alternative, I'd vote for them. However, the conservatives have three policies (universities, speed cameras, national speed limit) that are: a) Relevant to me b) Sensible and perhaps most importantly, c) so minor in the grand scheme of things, that they will have a good chance of actually being implemented should they get in. No other party (that has even a marginal chance of success) has anything to offer that begins to match those (sorry state of affairs, eh?). Seems like a good reason to vote for them to me. |
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That's it? You base you politics on speed cameras? you an old lady? incorrigble pedestrian? education i can understand, but there has to be more going on in parliment that that. Seems like i might try to give the labor boys a boost as they might have the grass-roots base to get something as radical as a national speed limit passed. quit being so fucking English! |
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Your politics and laws are completely fucked. You're in no position to criticise ours. "education i can understand, but there has to be more going on in parliment that that." No- there is nothing going on in parliment that is currently more relevant to me. |
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If I understand England's politics, they are just as fucked as Mr Blair seems to be Bush's little bee-yatch! NO? |
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