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you seem to suggest that there is something called 'good' and 'evil' which apparently exist? |
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you've no ground to dictate 'ugliness'. why sublimate and disguise the more raw elements of human experience? homo homini lupus i say again, if this act was consensual, their little tryst is perfectly "acceptable" by me. |
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In a way I am senjor Weatherstoner, some things like this are simply to destructive for our society to be given any dignity, thats my opinion. The legal aspect of this case is interesting since there are no laws in Germany about Cannibalism, so he will be trialed for murder. But isnt this a bit like Euthanasia? The victim obviously wanted to die(some sort of suicide perhaps) but its a question if the reason why he wanted to die makes any difference? Is the killer some sick version of Dr.Kevorkian or just a plain murderer?, he cant be both thats for sure. Euthanasia is not allowed in Germany to my best knowledge so I dont think he should walk free even if the act was consensual. Also the argument is that Meiwes "wanted" to kill the victim when he put the ad in. That makes it murder to me......So maybe he should be convicted both for murder and euthanasia?! Not sure if that works legally but frying the bastard for lifetime would be fine me. |
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"He cant be both thats for sure" A small contradiction there! Well this is a weird case which contradicts itself really! It will be interesting to hear the final outcome of this case, maybe the judges should read "Crime and Punishment" by Dostoyevsky to sort this out. Does Meiwes=Raskolnikov, who knows! To be continued...... |
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porkchops, anyone?!? here's a far more thorough link on this new cannibalism craze sweeping the globe (in no time at all, we'll be seeing things like 'Kid Cannibal Of The Year' on the cover of Teen People!), courtesy of the ever informative The Guardian: |
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Eh, no biggy, if people want to do this, why stop them? |
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haha. the amusing thing about people attempting to bring morality into this sorry mess is that the sole reason behind which we shriek with terror hearing of such acts is that most of us would rather not be subject to such a horrifying experience, and hence the sole rationale behind our entire social infrastructure - laws, rules, regulations governing our mutual interaction ... has nobody ever read any Hobbes or Russeau? the very basics of political theory, people! now, here's a catchphrase for all german deviants out there: CANNIBALISM - THINK, IT AIN'T ILLEGAL YET! |
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i'm not completely sure about the morality of doing this.. but i find the whole story just sad.. like the fact that after his penis was cut off he took a bath as meiwes read a star trek novel? and then bled to death over a 10 hour period.. i feel bad for both people in this.. it's really sad that perversions such as this exist and that the people who have them can really do nothing to stop themselves from constantly thinking about it, enjoying the thought of it, and becoming aroused because of it.. but like a great deal of other "sick" people in the world, they perhaps should stick to just their fantasies, even if they could find someone that agrees to let them do what it is that they want to do to them. it's somewhat similar to paedophilia in a way.. i don't think it is "wrong" for those people to have fantasies about children, i mean, i do find it disgusting, but they really cannot help it.. it is what they are sexually aroused by. but the moment that they act out their depraved desires in reality, even if it is with a victim, claiming to be "ready" and "willing," then that is definitely wrong. a child is not capable of making the choice of sexually interacting with an adult, or anyone for that matter.. so is someone who is obviously extremely mentally unstable, depressed and self destructive capable of making the choice to be "consensually" slaughtered for sexual gratification? also, if the man who was killed wouldn't have been so fucked up from sleeping pills and alcohol, and was in a clear state of mind, would he have maybe then reconsidered after being stabbed a few times? he might of then decided that this was not something he wanted to get himself into, even if he "got off" from it.. for example, one might go to a party, with the intention of getting laid, and subsequently get completely wasted, ending up fucking someone at the end of the night that they would normally never touch with a 10-foot pole if they were sober. many of us do things und |
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(cont) many of us do things under the influence of alcohol/drugs that we later regret.. i know that the man agreed everything prior to consuming the half bottle of schnapps and nearly two dozen sleeping pills, but if he had somehow miraculously woke up the next morning, nearly dead from blood loss, possibly realizing the implications of fulfilling his "fantasy," would he have then had second thoughts? "right" or "wrong," "consensual" or not, things like this just make me loathe the human psyche. |
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p.s. this was all just my opinion. and i apologize for the amount of quotation marks. |
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Well, I'd just have to say: so what if at the last moment if he hadn't have drugged himself that there's a chance he might have regretted his choice. It's his choice, and it's nobodies job to protect you from your own choices. |
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i do agree with virtually every point which you have made. no single act of violence, regardless of the circumstances (with an emphasis on consentual, but even in such a case, within reason) can ever be truly justified in moral terms of 'right' or 'wrong'. but it must also be taken into account that this isolated incident IS reflective of contemporary western society in particular, and the human kind in general. after all, could it not be said of supposedly "democratic" totalitarian dictators such as George W. Bush (see avatar) that consenting to "pre-emptive" acts of murder against a nation accused of being a potential (key word) terrorist threat, he has in fact committed an brutal act of far greater magnitude and moral implications than the case of cannibalism we are discussing here? similar instances of cannibalism, where, for example, a victim's heart is torn out while they are fully conscious, and consequently consumed, are almost commonplace in war-torn Liberia. the point i am making is that the capacity for such evil deeds (Hitler of course being only one, but by far most extreme example) lies within us all. whether or not we choose to act upon such impulses lies a) upon our own volition and/or b) upon circumstances we find ourselves in, given our mental state and other such key aspects which determine our consequent actions. |
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(continued) violence is simply an inherent part of human existence, and for that matter, the existence of all living things. nature does not exhibit any sense of what one might term as morality. considering that humans are but a part of the living, breathing universe, and are subject to the laws of nature to the same extent as all other living creatures, is it really any wonder that the hands of humankind are thoroughly stained with blood?!? of course, this does not by any means excuse actions of the perpetrators of violent acts, but it does offer, at least in part, an explanation as to why things are as they are. |
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i just don't think that taking someone else's life is justifiable just because they asked you, except possibly if their health is slowly seriously deteriorating and they are completly suffering and are unable to do it themselves, but wish to be dead. i highly doubt that that this man would have committed suicide by himself.. it seems like it was just some kind of twisted life long dream, that someone took advantage of. |
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you make some really good points. i find human existence to be as fascinating as it is disturbing. |
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actually human flesh is quite tasty, kind of like pork. |
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who would kill/eat someone else? who would let themselves be killed and eaten? Why would you even try to get a rational answer to those questions? Obviously we're dealing with 2 complete nutcases here. I don't think any of us would understand, let alone answer those questions :) |
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well internal organs have some pretty colours. i wonderwhat dish he prepared with the body. |
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"All you guys do is making fun of this like its just normal progress in the humans evolution and in the future it will be acceptible to consume human meat" dude. eating human is SOOOOOOO neopolitian. i've always believed that eating a strong warrior's body parts would grant the eater strength and vitality. If human re-incarnation is true, i know i've had canibalistic experiences. I'm actually very jelous of the man. I've read rumors that Anton Levey's possy feasted on a cadavor. |
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"When did people´s ultimate sex-fantasy become so important that we are ready to die for it????" according to the freud-worshipers (who, in my opinion, rule the world), this is what LIFE IS! |
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fava beans and a nice chianti? |
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http://web.archive.org/web/20010405034510/www.manbeef.com/h ome.html mmmmmm. that was funny |
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Question for everyone: If you had a chance to live out your ultimate fantasy, would you not do it? Even if it involved dying? I know I would. Good thing my fantasy doesn't involve getting eatin by another person. |
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to me it's quite simple - how can it be called murder if the killée says he wants to be killed by that person? if you start messing with definitions like that, it gets very sketchy and quite dangerous pretty fast. is this man as evil had he grabbed some guy of the street and done the exact same thing? don't get me wrong, it's crossing quite a few lines for me too. but I just do not think you can call it murder. people want it to be called murder, because it scares them. I do agree on the media hyping stuff like this and feeding it like media fast food to people, but I don't think you can tell much by how people react on a mb how "dead" they are inside.. |
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also, keep in mind that serialkillers and the like are the dragons and ghouls of our time, hence people's fascination with them - only thing is, they are so much scarier, because they actually do exist. |
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What a fascinating story. Killing on demand is a funny thing. This guy is Jack Kevorkian taken to the next level though. They almost make him come across as a nice guy when you read this, heh... at least until he steps into his cute little Chopping Room. I wonder if he's capable of hurting even a fly against its will? Either way, I'm glad he's getting the book thrown at him, he probably has rank breath. |
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murder is killing out of selfish motives. killing is out of necessity... food, or self-protection. but the person who decides they want to die is killing themselves, and that is murder. contrary to popular belief, you don't OWN you. this body is on loan. |
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you have to remember that not everyone is superstitious, as you are |
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