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nacmat
on 2003-12-03 10:39 [#00975512]
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I have no reason to hate america. when I was there people were great to me
and american people I know in this MB are great too
their presidents are shit most of the times though
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ecnadniarb
on 2003-12-03 10:42 [#00975513]
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haha you respond to felling as though you are being attacked by making a crass generalisation yourself.
Also if you actually bothered to read the thread you would have noticed that nobody from the UK has had a go at Americans in any way shape or form. My point was the mass British adoption of American culture in place of our own, a totally different subject.
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titsworth
from Washington, DC (United States) on 2003-12-03 10:42 [#00975514]
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Also, nite wasn't first used by advertisers
i didn't say it was FIRST used by them. take it from someone who actually LIVES here that the only time we see it spelled "lite" or "nite" is in ads (whether from a corporation or for a production of a play or something small like that).
In fact, nite isn't even an Americanism, it just became popular there, I guess.
don't make things up..
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ecnadniarb
on 2003-12-03 10:45 [#00975521]
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"take it from someone who actually LIVES here"
That was a cold comment to make to Paul of all people...you should hang your head in shame.
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titsworth
from Washington, DC (United States) on 2003-12-03 10:46 [#00975524]
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my whole feeling about American people is that they're ignorant, yet also arrogant
anyone else see the irony in this statement?
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nacmat
on 2003-12-03 10:46 [#00975526]
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besides america is lots of places: canada, usa, mexico, honduras, nicaragua, panama, colombia, venezuela, cuba, brasil, peru, ecuador, paraguay, uruguay, argentina, chile, santo domingo, republica dominicana... and some more I cant remember now
usa is not america america is a lot more
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elusive
from detroit (United States) on 2003-12-03 10:47 [#00975528]
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wow, brilliant topics here
weeeeeeeeeee
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ecnadniarb
on 2003-12-03 10:48 [#00975529]
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They are referred to as the Americas here, if you say America it is taken in the context of the United States of.
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epohs
from )C: on 2003-12-03 10:48 [#00975531]
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gov'ts for the most part are shady organizations. like giant corporations with historys spanning back centuries.
i firmly believe that america is not the worst. in fact, i think she's better than most. it's just that we're really the only superpower right now, so every decision, every action is victim to the scrutiny of the rest of the world.
oh well, we'll fall sooner or later, and one of you other guys will be forced to justify every single thing you do. are your gov't the model of perfection?
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zaphod
from the metaverse on 2003-12-03 10:50 [#00975534]
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i made a crass generalization to make a point, but you obviously didn't read past the first sentence of my post.
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ecnadniarb
on 2003-12-03 10:51 [#00975537]
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Don't turn this into a pro/anti America topic...The people I have met from the US have all been nice enough...maybe I should have chosen the topic title I little bit more carefully :D
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nacmat
on 2003-12-03 10:51 [#00975538]
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america is a continent divided in north america, central america and south america
in north america there are two countries: canada and the united states of america
usa is in america. usa is not america
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zaphod
from the metaverse on 2003-12-03 10:53 [#00975541]
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no, it isn't, but people associate it as such. canada is not talked about and south america seems to be irrelevant in these conversations. i'm not saying its right, but its true.
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epohs
from )C: on 2003-12-03 10:54 [#00975544]
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technically, you are right.
but practiacally, to 99%* of the world's population america == the us of a.
* 87.4% of all statistics are made up on the spot.
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ecnadniarb
on 2003-12-03 10:54 [#00975546]
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I did read the whole of your post, but it was out of context to the rest of the thread...in fact to only people who have had a go at America have been natives of North America themselves :P
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nacmat
on 2003-12-03 10:56 [#00975549]
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its relevant for me...
ask jedy or childkiller if its irrelevant for them too
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zaphod
from the metaverse on 2003-12-03 10:58 [#00975552]
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right, whatever. i was saying in the whole of this board thats an attitude i've seen. rereading your topic starting post your title for the topic is not exactly appropriate though, and thats more or less what i was responding to.
in terms of "american" cultural trends invading the rest of the world, i do see what you mean and dislike the fact. its alot worse in places like japan where youth spend thousands of dollars attempting to emulate everything they see to be superficially western, while basically forgetting their cultural roots. having been to the UK, i didn't really see anything distinctly american about the language, or the written form of it, but that was awhile ago.
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ecnadniarb
on 2003-12-03 10:58 [#00975553]
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Pakistan is part of the Indian subcontinent but India is still referred to as India as that is what it is called. Dropping the "United States of" from the beginning of America has always been done and will continue to be done. Protesting otherwise is just being pedantic.
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zaphod
from the metaverse on 2003-12-03 11:00 [#00975555]
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i just mean to most in this type of topic, south america is not part of the discussion. its obviously not "irrelevant".
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ecnadniarb
on 2003-12-03 11:00 [#00975556]
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I can see your point, there is a lot of negativity towards the USA on the board, but in most cases it does come from the natives more than the foreigners.
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epohs
from )C: on 2003-12-03 11:01 [#00975557]
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[b]ir·rel·e·vant[/b] Unrelated to the matter being considered.
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epohs
from )C: on 2003-12-03 11:02 [#00975559]
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teehee... html error does not compute!
omgwtfbrbttyl
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Zephyr Twin
from ΔΔΔ on 2003-12-03 11:07 [#00975568]
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C'mon people, are you actually saying that you hate an entire culture (if it can be called that...) due to a couple of letters?? Did it ever occur to any of you that due to the pronunciation of the word "log," that maybe the "ue" really wasn't necessary? Also, I'm not sure about the UK, but in the US, "colour" would technically be pronounced "col-OWer," so if you look at it like that it makes since that we drop the u. Why bother adding more letters if it doesn't change the pronunciation at all (this is not to say I agree with nite and thru). About the comment of people from US not giving their location.. what the fuck does this have to do with anything? Do you honestly care if I'm from Denver or New York? I don't think it really has anything to do with being ashamed (although I am of living in the US). Still though, all I can say is grow the fuck up if you actually care about a difference of TWO LETTERS.
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ecnadniarb
on 2003-12-03 11:11 [#00975574]
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Again, another person jumping on the defensive and completely missing the point of the topic...
1) You descibe yourself as being from the US of Anus.
2) The topic was not anti American culture, it was against the adoption of American culture in place of our own national identity. You can spell and pronounce shit exactly the way you want to, I just don't want it replacing my own culture.
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evolume
from seattle (United States) on 2003-12-03 11:14 [#00975578]
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I HATE VEGITABLES!
i hate 'em
yep.
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zaphod
from the metaverse on 2003-12-03 11:15 [#00975581]
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i do have to ask though: are a couple of letters really your "culture"? i've been to the UK, it seems to have developed its own national identity, even if that fits into a larger wester identity that the USA is aligned with.
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evolume
from seattle (United States) on 2003-12-03 11:15 [#00975583]
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all americans are ass holes. take it from me, I live here.
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zaphod
from the metaverse on 2003-12-03 11:15 [#00975584]
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yeah, but you live in seattle
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evolume
from seattle (United States) on 2003-12-03 11:18 [#00975587]
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all of us are fat, tobacco chewin', red necks. we scratch our genitals all the time, and belch. and shoot eachother. infact, that's what i had planned for tonight after work. some tobacco chewin' and gun shootin'.
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Zephyr Twin
from ΔΔΔ on 2003-12-03 11:21 [#00975590]
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Ok ok, culture was a bit too broad of a term to use, but my point remains. You actually spend time giving a shit about how a couple words are spelled. Why is it so hard to accept that just because our (US and UK) language is essentially "English" everything has to be exactly the same? Do you also hate how we say "elevator" instead of "lift" and "truck" instead of "lorrie" (sp?)? I wasn't trying to be defensive, I just feel there are a lot more important things in this world to worry about.
Yes, I describe myself as beign from the "US of Anus" I particularly am ashamed a lot of of my country's policies, but I think we have done some pretty good things too, and really my location has to be taken with a grain of salt. However, what I was actually saying is that your location really doesn't matter at all anyway. You know I'm from America, and I doubt it makes any difference to you what part.
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Zephyr Twin
from ΔΔΔ on 2003-12-03 11:22 [#00975594]
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btw, Santa looks like he's smoking a cigar due to the shadow from his nose.. hehe ;)
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evolume
from seattle (United States) on 2003-12-03 11:23 [#00975595]
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in seattle we are lentil eatin' stoned hippies. we just play a lot of hackey sack, basically.
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epohs
from )C: on 2003-12-03 11:23 [#00975596]
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i live in the <3 of appalachia.
isn't that the poopchute of 'merica?
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Zephyr Twin
from ΔΔΔ on 2003-12-03 11:24 [#00975599]
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Yes, I describe myself as beign from the "US of Anus"
and what I actually meant was that one day Anus Presley took a glorious shit and that shit came to be known as Zephyr Twin. :)
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Zephyr Twin
from ΔΔΔ on 2003-12-03 11:25 [#00975602]
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whoops, that first part was supposed to be in quotes.
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zaphod
from the metaverse on 2003-12-03 11:32 [#00975617]
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yay for stereotypes!
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ecnadniarb
on 2003-12-03 11:37 [#00975624]
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Again I haven't got a problem with you all using whatever words you want to use. What I hate is the use of the words in Britain in place of our own. Autumn has became "the fall". Going out and picking up a prostitute is now called "a paid for date". TV is dominated by shitty US shows because it is cheaper for the TV companies. I just don't want to be part of a nation that no longer thinks for itself, which this issue, while not directly the cause, is a symptom.
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Zephyr Twin
from ΔΔΔ on 2003-12-03 11:48 [#00975641]
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I understand where you're coming from.. American TV definately is the WORST THING EVER, so I'm deeply sorry that it somehow managed to cross the Atlantic Ocean to get to you guys as well. =/
Whoever's behind all this crap on TV... they need to be stopped at all costs!
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marlowe
from Antarctica on 2003-12-03 11:50 [#00975644]
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Well, I've seen "nite" in plenty of poetry and literature from America... for instance, read some of Jim Morrison's poetry.
And "Nite" ISN'T an Americanism... I've seen that spelling used in 19th century English Literature.
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Theocide
from Escondido (United States) on 2003-12-03 11:51 [#00975647]
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"paid for date."
any americans ever hear of this term?
I use whore personally.
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titsworth
from Washington, DC (United States) on 2003-12-03 11:52 [#00975649]
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i agree nite isn't an americanism and that some poets use it for shorthand or for effect but that's not a common usage
no hard feelings about the living in america thing, i'm just making the point that i wouldn't claim to know exactly what happens in any country i don't live in
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Zephyr Twin
from ΔΔΔ on 2003-12-03 11:57 [#00975663]
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nope, I was going to comment on that as well but just said "fuck it".
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ecnadniarb
on 2003-12-03 12:00 [#00975668]
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I typed that bit as a bit of a joke...I wasn't being serious. :P
Anyway I am bored of this thread now so this will be my last reply :D
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marlowe
from Antarctica on 2003-12-03 12:00 [#00975672]
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I didn't take it badly at all...
Of course, I wasn't really disagreeing with your initial statement about "nite", just showing it's more than a corporate thing.
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Jedy
from dublin (Ireland) on 2004-03-12 05:19 [#01104883]
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damn fucking right !
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Ceri JC
from Jefferson City (United States) on 2004-03-12 05:34 [#01104886]
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It's like "lite", as opposed to "light" and you're right, most people don't use that, it's more a corporate thing. IMO, "Lite" is slightly more valid than "nite", as it has a subtly different meaning, especially in relation to software. It's a sort of term for "less feature rich", which does make better sense than "less weighty" as "Light" would imply.
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