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agreed but how about this situation: girl gets pregnent... and the guy doesnt want a kid... having one would truely fuck him over... financially etc. but she wants it... no reason besides she just wants a kid. what then? it would be the guys life who is getting fucked... |
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i think that people should get a license to have a kid. as it stands anybody can have a baby regardless of circumstances no matter how poor a parent that person would be. |
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yes but in that case, there IS a kid to be taken care of, and therefore the parents of the child must both financially support them by law. BUT if the fetus is aborted, there is NO child, and there is no financial support needed by the two who were once possible parents. so that analogy would not be much of a strong parallel to a woman deciding to abort the fetus in her body, because after the abortion, there is no existing third entity. |
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Is it worse if you have an abortion while you're stealing music on Kazaa? |
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im not sure I follow... what I was trying to say... is that the man needs to have some sort of say... cause it DOES affect him too... |
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The title of this topic made me hungry :S |
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Only if it's Metallica you are stealing. |
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metallica are so full of shit i saw lars on tv the other day and he was like "we dont care if people dl our music... its just when they DL it before the albums even finished" which is crap... because thats not what they said originally. |
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haha, they suck anyways. his voice is too annoying or something. |
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I wish Cliff Burton would rise from the grave and track them down and eat their brains. Yes he'd still be hungry afterwards and James Hetfield would not be noticeably different afterwards but still. I'd make a flash of it if I had the skillz. |
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i basically got this idea from what you have said: you wanted to state (?) that since the man and woman both copulated to create the fetus, then they should have a 50/50 split on agreeing what happens to it. well it doesnt' work that way if they have a conflict of interest. if the guy for instance, doesn't want the child, but the girl does, you can't magically cut the baby in half when it's born, and have your problems solved. so the best way to resolve these issues is to unfortunately have an imbalanced decision (under conflict of interest), where the woman has the upper hand. |
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ok... i see what you mean... but in that case... id say the woman would at least give the father an option of not being legally (ie financially) obligated to the kid... you cant tell a woman to abort... but since its not something thats in the mans hands... I dont think he should suffer for her decision... its a touchy subject... and Im not sure if I can explain my side too well over the net... but I think a persons future has more wieght then just a woman wanting to have a kid. |
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althoughhhh... pretty soon (if not already), you can have kids outside of the womb in some test tube or something. which would mean that maybe laws could be changed, so that if one wanted the child and the other didn't, the fetus would not be in any BODY, therefore independent.. and that would bring in a whole new bunch of problems and ethics ;) |
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true.... but it would still be the two persons egg and seed.... |
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yeah but the point is in that situation, the woman isn't carrying the child in her womb for 9 months. |
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i see... so she would have less weight in the decision... but it doesnt change the fact that the man is the biological father... and thus has responsibilities... |
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I really am very very hungry. |
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go have a warm glass of period juice |
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I would rather have embryonic fluids |
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Catalyst., you made the right choice, and thats that. .. if u need to talk man i'm ur boy ,.. u know that. |
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lars' parents should have had an abortion :D |
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Vote for me and I will insure that abortions be mandatory for everyone. |
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heheheh |
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We really do forget the bottom line reason for sex, which is to procreate. If two people aren't willing to raise a child together then they probably shouldn't be having sex. Of course society doesn't like to think that way so alas the abortion is invented. I don't say this to be judgemental or cavalier about the individual situation that brought up the topic, but seriously if you were willing to have sex with someone then you should be willing to commit to that person and take care of that child, even if it is in spite of the odds. There are govt. programs out there that can help. Abortion isn't anymore a valid solution to an unwanted pregnancy than murdering someone because they have info on you that might ruin your life or stealing money because otherwise you won't be able to eat or pay your bills. |
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I also think the woman made the decision to have a child already when she had sex, so yes the woman does have the right to choose. Once she has made the choice, however, she has an obligation to follow through with what she has been entrusted with. Sex is meant to be pleasurable and deep, but between a husband and wife who are willing to have children. That being said, I am not against contraception for a husband and wife who are waiting to have children when they are ready or because of health reasons. |
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now leaving the middle ages, unwanted babies are bad: they grow up to be unproductive slobs and have more unwanted children. |
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You're doing the right thing imho, man. I'm lucky as my gf has trouble becoming pregnant. So I don't even have to use protection (it's ok I've been assured numerous times by her that it's ok) |
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oh also how's this for a morally complex story I know a girl who has a child, he's like4. she's about 19. she's a brilliant mother with him and loves him to death. the father is still with her but you can tell he'd rather not have a kid, BUT he's doing the right thing and supporitng her and still is a good father and stuff. he's about 20 or 21 I think. NOW she found out recently that she has a ...tumour or something wrong with her brain and eh can have surgery to get it fixed...but only a 40% success rate (ie 60% chance of death). She wants to have another child. I can't for the life of me remember why but I had it explained to me once and it did make sense. The father doesn't want another kid. She's thinking of having the operation in like 2 years. Talk about messed up. Nobody (especially someone so young) deserves to have that kind of decision weight bearing down on them. We're all praying that she will be ok. PS this story is totally true. |
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abortion = death |
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remember it`s your kid too!! don`t let herr do this! because you will both feel like shit afterwards! |
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I don't like abortion. But i know several people that have had abortions and a few that have carried the babies to term. Each case was totally different and I don't judge any of them based on their decisions because ultimately it was their bodies, and their lives that were affected by their own decisions. I have to hope that they make the best decisions for their respective situations. I would never force anyone to make a decision as serious as this. I would only stand by them and give them the support and advice they undoubtedly will need for such a life altering event. |
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I know a 24 year old I would have aborted, were it possible. |
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just say no to sex with pro lifers |
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I disagree. A fetus is not really alive. It is in the process of forming, so that it can come alive. Therefore, it can't really die. It can just never live. |
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THIS ARGUEMENT GETS OLD FAST. |
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yeah, when you die, what date do they put on your tombstone to indicate your lifespan? The day you were conceived? Or your birthdate? |
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ah ha! thats a good technicality :) |
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although... somewhat flawed... at the 7 month period... when the baby is kicking... id argue thats its alive at that point... |
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But does it know its alive? Is it self aware? Do you, or anyone, remember when they were a fetus? They used to get rid of babies in the first two or three months after birth if they found something wrong with it. |
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But I'm not at all an advocate of late term abortions (or whatever they are called) anyways. If you're going to have sex know what you're going to do before hand if in fact you get someone pregnant. If that choice is an abortion; do it asap, don't be a lazy fuck and get it over with. |
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so then rather than abortion, they should have an option to remove the fetus and keep it alive on life support if the mother doesn't want it. then if it dies, science and technology are to blame. therefore, the solution, obviously, is artificial surrogate mothers. problem solved. i'll get my biologist and robotics friends to work on it right away. expect results within the next.. oh.. 2 - 300 years. |
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Haha. In 200-300 years I will invent an 'on/off' spigot that you can have installed on the seminal vesicles. |
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mappatazee, I'm sure it looks alive when the doctor mashed it up and rips out the mangled body of the fetus from the girl. I don't have much of an opinion on this whole thing, but I think its a very nasty and morally wrong procedure. |
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it is morality itself and the moral standard to which everyone should be held accountable that is in question. |
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"I don't have much of an opinion on this whole thing, but I think its a very nasty and morally wrong procedure. " hahaha... ooookkkkk..... |
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never was a contradiction shorter in length ;-) I'm pro choice, but it's still very nasty shit Also another thing: I don't remember most of the shit that happenes in like the first few years of my life...so I guess not remwembering when you're in teh womb is kind of a bad argument for not being alive. |
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I'm sure most of you pro-lifers eat chicken eggs? I like mine sunny side up. |
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I like to eat raw ovaries |
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hmm. ok simple and short. a fetus is NOT a child, and to say that it is, creates a slipper slope. EVER HEARD OF A FALLACY? sheesh. that's like saying a teenager IS the same thing as an OLD GEEZER. come on people. |
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and for those pro-lifers that think sperm and egg is RESERVED for baby-making only, and all else is IMMORAL, i suggest you put down that hand that's lubed with the vaseline and think twice about masturbation. absurd isn't it? yeah, keep jerkin it and shut up. |
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