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Empiricus
from South Carolina (United States) on 2004-04-10 21:23 [#01138151]
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The existence "quote" is from me. By "post-modernest I am responding to the fears of the two main authors we are reading in my Seminar class - Searle and Hampton. They are afraid that without objective standards of behavior ALL standards of behavior go right out the window. I am their worst fear. So be it.
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happy cycling
from berlin on 2004-04-10 21:26 [#01138152]
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what school do you go to? i hail from the woefully inapt university of british columbia where i study european literature in my spare time between xltronic sessions
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Empiricus
from South Carolina (United States) on 2004-04-10 21:29 [#01138157]
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I'm in Charleston, South Carolina at the College of Charleston. My grandfather graduated from here in 1924. I'm a Philosophy major and a Religious Studies minor.
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bogala
from NYC (United States) on 2004-04-11 09:58 [#01138363]
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Carbs make me feel way more shitty that eating fat and protein. How do you feel after a plate of pasta or pancakes? Being thin and healthy should counter act the negative elements of fat on your cardiovascular system. Oh, we are omnivores we have incisor teeth. We were not meant to eat only vegetables.
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deepspace9mm
from filth on 2004-04-11 10:15 [#01138365]
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Hehehe, i'm just substituting cigarettes for food at the moment. It's not exactly a health-oriented diet.
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catharsis
from Toronto (Canada) on 2004-04-11 13:44 [#01138504]
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I'm going to eat this thread alive. FYI, I have an honors bachelor of applied science in nutrition and dietetics, and I've been in private practice for a number of years as a clinical nutritionist. If you'd like the short and dirty on the atkins diet, you've come to the right place.
Go on the atkins diet if: -You want to lose fast and TEMPORARY weight (great for that special date, or event)
-You have ALOT of weight to lose -You don't care about getting cancer or heart disease
Do not go on the atkins diet if: -You ever plan on eating a carbs again. -You plan on retaining your muscle mass. -You plan on losing weight in the long run. -You dont' have enough money to afford pills and diet supplements
-You want to live to an old age
I can't begin to tell you how many patients I have seen that have screwed up their metabolisms up beyond belief after a year or so on the atkins diet. I could go ON, and ON about the politics and profit to be made on the atkins diet, but needless to say, it is possibly one of the most disgusting and deceptive money grabbers in the dieting world.
(Most likely) after a year or so on the atkins diet, you will stop losing weight, you will have lost precisious muscle mass, you will have dramatically reduced your energy expenditure, and because you have already cut carbs, you will have to find another way to lose weight.
The word "diet" is a word that implies that one day you will "go off" your diet. Unless you change your metabolism through exercise and lifestyle changes, you will be doomed to the body that you have. There are better diets out there that are healthy, do-able, and affordable.
For more info you can e-mail me at psmclinic@yahoo.ca
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catharsis
from Toronto (Canada) on 2004-04-11 13:49 [#01138506]
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Part of the reason that people "feel better" by eliminating carbs either has to do with food sensitivities / allergies (common ones are those high in carbs), mineral deficiencies that result in impaired insulin function, and symptoms of hypo and hyperglycemia.
Any diet that advises a reduction in cancer and cardiovascular preventing fruits deserves some critical thinking. 99.9% of the world's nutritional scientists are skeptics of the atkins diet as a healthy means to lose weight. The remainder is Mr. Atkins himself (R.I.P), and those who've taken his bait.
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catharsis
from Toronto (Canada) on 2004-04-11 13:51 [#01138507]
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All carbs are not equal (nutrition proverb). People need to stop treating them as though they are.
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fleetmouse
from Horny for Truth on 2004-04-11 14:09 [#01138525]
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The best way to lose weight is three days of ice cream followed by three days of grapefruit followed by three days of liposuction.
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catharsis
from Toronto (Canada) on 2004-04-11 14:11 [#01138529]
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Don't forget to add 300, 25mg tablets of ephidrene, a pint of heroin, and a kilo of crack.
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fleetmouse
from Horny for Truth on 2004-04-11 14:20 [#01138544]
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Yes, and I would have my stomach stapled too except I need a large capacity to smuggle that heroin. :D
It must freak you out to see people eating blocks of bacon the size of their heads and calling it health food.
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catharsis
from Toronto (Canada) on 2004-04-11 17:31 [#01138644]
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Right on the nose fleetmouse....right on the nose.
All it takes its some careful reflection and observation, and the fucked up precepts of the atkins diet become clear.
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catharsis
from Toronto (Canada) on 2004-04-11 20:10 [#01138770]
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Instead of fruit, we'll just eat hundreds of dollars worth of low-carb maltitol stuffed, liquid shit producing fake candy by the barrel! Hurray!
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AK47
on 2004-04-11 20:37 [#01138778]
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For instant results I know as the diet made me an anorexic weighing just 47 KG, there's the Mayo clinic grapefruit diet. Its based on grapefruit, eggs and steak. All visual fat is removed from the meat. You drink black coffee, tea without milk. Combined with aerobics and weight training I was a skinny force to be reckoned with.
Other than that the sensible and healthy way is to increase your exercise, 20 minutes a day walking, try weights, pilates or yoga will improve your tone, make you feel good and you can buy an exercise video so it is easily done at home. Drink plenty of water at home, work and whilst you are out walking - great if you go to your local park for some rest and relaxation as well. I am sure you have great swimming pools over there in OZ so try swimming. Eat three meals a day, regulary if you starve your body then the calories will not burn off, remove the fat from the meat, cut down on dairy products, and drink diet coke.
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bogala
from NYC (United States) on 2004-04-11 23:55 [#01138871]
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best "diet"; lean meats, unrefined flour based carbs, cut the sugar, eat some veggies and fruits, all in moderation and exercise.
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bogala
from NYC (United States) on 2004-04-12 00:00 [#01138874]
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The only time I ever lost lots of wieght was when I changed my life around completely. Like moving to college were I walked constantly and the food sucked. Or when I was addicted to my bike and used it to go everywhere.
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Refund
from Melbourne (Australia) on 2004-04-12 00:38 [#01138884]
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diet coke,... I could never stopp that low
*is a coke addict
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Refund
from Melbourne (Australia) on 2004-04-12 00:40 [#01138889]
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also., I can't eat eggs, (don't like the taste)
and now,.. I can't eat steak....
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catharsis
from Toronto (Canada) on 2004-04-12 07:16 [#01139047]
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Best diet = no diet.
A professional like me who is able to create a custom diet according to your age, gender, metabolic expenditure, lifestyle, stress levels, acitivity levels, allergies, hypersensitivities, and illness would in fact be the best option. You would be able to EAT ANYTHING YOU WANT. People tend to neglect the term "quantity" when they eat. They just assume you can change the composition of your diet and thereby alter your body's physiology and everything will be fine.
If I eat alot of steak, grapefruit and eggs I will still gain weight. Problem is, how fucking bored of those foods will you get? You will undoubtedly eat less at the same time you begin to eat those foods, and therefore reduce your energy intake, and lose weight.
But go ahead and spend your hard earned dollars on some whacky shit.
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bogala
from NYC (United States) on 2004-04-12 14:31 [#01139561]
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Best diet = no diet.
That's why I put diet in quotes. To cover that argument, but you didn't catch it.
If you eat food in some sort of pattern you have yourself a diet; So, Everyone is on a diet..
di·et1 ( P )(dt) n.
1. The usual food and drink of a person or animal. 2. A regulated selection of foods, as for medical reasons or cosmetic weight loss.
3. Something used, enjoyed, or provided regularly: subsisted on a diet of detective novels during his vacation.
I realise the stigma of the word diet, but the definition remains. Sorry. Your version of diet is number 2 on the list.
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catharsis
from Toronto (Canada) on 2004-04-13 00:02 [#01139953]
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Forgive my analysis of the word.
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rockenjohnny
from champagne socialism (Australia) on 2004-04-13 01:22 [#01139985]
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interesting.
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catharsis
from Toronto (Canada) on 2004-04-13 21:23 [#01141567]
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Thank you peanut gallery. Would you like a $3.50 low-carb eighth of a pound chocolate bar?
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rockenjohnny
from champagne socialism (Australia) on 2004-04-14 00:36 [#01141613]
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nah thanks i just had sushi :]
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catharsis
from Toronto (Canada) on 2004-04-14 19:00 [#01143261]
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Sushi....now there is an amazing way to eat. I'm not being sarcastic this time either. Traditional Okinawan / Japanese diets consisting of sea vegetables, raw fish and rice are among the most healthy "diets" in the world. Just add some fruit and you've got the key to super-health.
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catharsis
from Toronto (Canada) on 2004-04-15 18:25 [#01144995]
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My favourite diet is the sour cream, potatoe, bacon, perogie, steak, cheese, pasta, and burito diet. Mmmmm...I love love love the fat. It's okay, because I can counteract it with Vitamin C, E, zinc and a B-complex to keep the triglycerides to a minimum, and prevent LDL cholesterol oxidation. Tricks of the trade.
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rockenjohnny
from champagne socialism (Australia) on 2004-04-15 19:07 [#01145031]
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i spend half the day walking :)
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catharsis
from Toronto (Canada) on 2004-04-15 19:16 [#01145040]
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That's a start. You're already doing 10x more than the average american. The rate of obesity in North American (and especially USA itself) is morbidly disgusting.
A recent epidemiological survey of US children under 12 months (I think) found that the most common vegetable consumed by that population age group was french fries (it is in fact a vegetable). Coca-cola was found to be quite the common addition to baby-bottles in children as young as 7 months old. How fucking stupid do you have to be exactly?
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qrter
from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2004-04-15 19:22 [#01145048]
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..well.. made from a vegetable..
otherwise tomato-soup is a vegetable.
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Empiricus
from South Carolina (United States) on 2004-04-15 20:22 [#01145116]
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How tall are you, how muscular are you, and how much do you weigh? I am 6'1 and 184. I lift moderate weights, so I have above average muscularity (although not much above average). I run for 30 minutes 4 times a week and do total body resistance training twice a week. Less than one year ago today I was 250 pounds. I used Atkins in conjunction with cardio and weight training. Works for me.
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bogala
from NYC (United States) on 2004-04-15 20:57 [#01145143]
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I could still kick your ass
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Empiricus
from South Carolina (United States) on 2004-04-15 21:09 [#01145151]
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Who are you talking to?
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catharsis
from Toronto (Canada) on 2004-04-15 22:26 [#01145208]
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Yes....who are you talking to? I'm 6'0" and 175lbs, 13% body fat. If you're exercising, I commend you. Consider yourself on track to true health. Just be careful when you utilize diets such as atkins. If you're not careful, you can end up doing more harm than good.
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catharsis
from Toronto (Canada) on 2004-04-15 22:50 [#01145212]
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If I had to name a "diet" I would have to suggest the "zone diet" as a long term weight management solution (conventionally known as the diabetic diet until it was popularized by Barry Sears). The atkins diet is too extreme, and even in the late 50's and 60's was known as "crash dieting", and was intended to be utilized on a short term basis (until it was popularized by Dr. Atkins in the late 90's).
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