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           Empiricus
             from South Carolina (United States) on 2004-04-10 21:23 [#01138151]
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 The existence "quote" is from me. By "post-modernest I am  responding to the fears of the two main authors we are  reading in my Seminar class - Searle and Hampton. They are  afraid that without objective standards of behavior ALL  standards of behavior go right out the window. I am their  worst fear. So be it. 
 
  
         
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           happy cycling
             on 2004-04-10 21:26 [#01138152]
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what school do you go to? i hail from the woefully inapt  university of british columbia where i study european literature in my spare  time between xltronic sessions 
 
  
         
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           Empiricus
             from South Carolina (United States) on 2004-04-10 21:29 [#01138157]
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 I'm in Charleston, South Carolina at the College of  Charleston. My grandfather graduated from here in 1924. I'm  a Philosophy major and a Religious Studies minor.  
 
  
         
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           bogala
             from NYC (United States) on 2004-04-11 09:58 [#01138363]
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Carbs make me feel way more shitty that eating fat and  protein. How do you feel after a plate of pasta or pancakes?  Being thin and healthy should counter act the negative  elements of fat on your cardiovascular system. Oh, we are  omnivores we have incisor teeth. We were not meant to eat  only vegetables. 
 
  
         
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           deepspace9mm
             from filth on 2004-04-11 10:15 [#01138365]
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Hehehe, i'm just substituting cigarettes for food at the  moment. It's not exactly a health-oriented diet. 
 
  
         
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           catharsis
             from Toronto (Canada) on 2004-04-11 13:44 [#01138504]
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I'm going to eat this thread alive.  FYI, I have an honors  bachelor of applied science in nutrition and dietetics, and  I've been in private practice for a number of years as a  clinical nutritionist.  If you'd like the short and dirty on  the atkins diet, you've come to the right place.
 
  Go on the atkins diet if: -You want to lose fast and TEMPORARY weight (great for that  special date, or event)
  -You have ALOT of weight to lose -You don't care about getting cancer or heart disease
  Do not go on the atkins diet if: -You ever plan on eating a carbs again. -You plan on retaining your muscle mass. -You plan on losing weight in the long run. -You dont' have enough money to afford pills and diet  supplements
  -You want to live to an old age
  I can't begin to tell you how many patients I have seen that  have screwed up their metabolisms up beyond belief after a  year or so on the atkins diet.  I could go ON, and ON about  the politics and profit to be made on the atkins diet, but  needless to say, it is possibly one of the most disgusting  and deceptive money grabbers in the dieting world.
 
  (Most likely) after a year or so on the atkins diet, you  will stop losing weight, you will have lost precisious  muscle mass, you will have dramatically reduced your energy  expenditure, and because you have already cut carbs, you  will have to find another way to lose weight.
 
  The word "diet" is a word that implies that one day you will  "go off" your diet.  Unless you change your metabolism  through exercise and lifestyle changes, you will be doomed  to the body that you have.  There are better diets out there  that are healthy, do-able, and affordable.
 
  For more info you can e-mail me at psmclinic@yahoo.ca  
 
 
  
         
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           catharsis
             from Toronto (Canada) on 2004-04-11 13:49 [#01138506]
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Part of the reason that people "feel better" by eliminating  carbs either has to do with food sensitivities / allergies  (common ones are those high in carbs), mineral deficiencies  that result in impaired insulin function, and symptoms of  hypo and hyperglycemia.  
 
  Any diet that advises a reduction in cancer and  cardiovascular preventing fruits deserves some critical  thinking.  99.9% of the world's nutritional scientists are  skeptics of the atkins diet as a healthy means to lose  weight.  The remainder is Mr. Atkins himself (R.I.P), and  those who've taken his bait. 
 
  
         
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           catharsis
             from Toronto (Canada) on 2004-04-11 13:51 [#01138507]
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All carbs are not equal (nutrition proverb).  People need to  stop treating them as though they are. 
 
  
         
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           fleetmouse
             from Horny for Truth on 2004-04-11 14:09 [#01138525]
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The best way to lose weight is three days of ice cream  followed by three days of grapefruit followed by three days  of liposuction. 
 
  
         
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           catharsis
             from Toronto (Canada) on 2004-04-11 14:11 [#01138529]
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Don't forget to add 300, 25mg tablets of ephidrene, a pint  of heroin, and a kilo of crack. 
 
  
         
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           fleetmouse
             from Horny for Truth on 2004-04-11 14:20 [#01138544]
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Yes, and I would have my stomach stapled too except I need a  large capacity to smuggle that heroin. :D
 
  It must freak you out to see people eating blocks of bacon  the size of their heads and calling it health food.
 
 
 
  
         
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           catharsis
             from Toronto (Canada) on 2004-04-11 17:31 [#01138644]
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Right on the nose fleetmouse....right on the nose.
  All it takes its some careful reflection and observation,  and the fucked up precepts of the atkins diet become clear. 
 
  
         
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           catharsis
             from Toronto (Canada) on 2004-04-11 20:10 [#01138770]
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Instead of fruit, we'll just eat hundreds of dollars worth  of low-carb maltitol stuffed, liquid shit producing fake  candy by the barrel! Hurray! 
 
  
         
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           AK47
             on 2004-04-11 20:37 [#01138778]
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For instant results I know as the diet made me an anorexic  weighing just 47 KG, there's the Mayo clinic grapefruit  diet. Its based on grapefruit, eggs and steak. All visual  fat is removed from the meat. You drink black coffee, tea  without milk. Combined with aerobics and weight training I  was a skinny force to be reckoned with.
 
  Other than that the sensible and healthy way is to increase  your exercise, 20 minutes a day walking, try weights,  pilates or yoga will improve your tone, make you feel good  and you can buy an exercise video so it is easily done at  home. Drink plenty of water at home, work and  whilst you  are out walking - great if you go to your local park for  some rest and relaxation as well. I am sure you have great  swimming pools over there in OZ so try swimming. Eat three  meals a day, regulary if you starve your body then the  calories will not burn off, remove the fat from the meat,  cut down on dairy products, and drink diet coke.  
 
  
         
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           bogala
             from NYC (United States) on 2004-04-11 23:55 [#01138871]
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best "diet"; lean meats, unrefined flour based carbs, cut  the sugar, eat some veggies and fruits, all in moderation  and exercise. 
 
  
         
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           bogala
             from NYC (United States) on 2004-04-12 00:00 [#01138874]
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The only time I ever lost lots of wieght was when I changed  my life around completely. Like moving to college were I  walked constantly and the food sucked. Or when I was  addicted to my bike and used it to go everywhere.  
 
  
         
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           Refund
             from Melbourne (Australia) on 2004-04-12 00:38 [#01138884]
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diet coke,... I could never stopp that low
  *is a coke addict
 
  
         
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           Refund
             from Melbourne (Australia) on 2004-04-12 00:40 [#01138889]
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also., I can't eat eggs, (don't like the taste)
  and now,.. I can't eat steak....
 
  
         
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           catharsis
             from Toronto (Canada) on 2004-04-12 07:16 [#01139047]
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Best diet = no diet.  
  A professional like me who is able to create a custom diet  according to your age, gender, metabolic expenditure,  lifestyle, stress levels, acitivity levels, allergies,  hypersensitivities, and illness would in fact be the best  option.  You would be able to EAT ANYTHING YOU WANT.  People  tend to neglect the term "quantity" when they eat.  They  just assume you can change the composition of your diet and  thereby alter your body's physiology and everything will be  fine.  
 
  If I eat alot of steak, grapefruit and eggs I will still  gain weight.  Problem is, how fucking bored of those foods  will you get?  You will undoubtedly eat less at the same  time you begin to eat those foods, and therefore reduce your  energy intake, and lose weight.
 
  But go ahead and spend your hard earned dollars on some  whacky shit. 
 
  
         
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           bogala
             from NYC (United States) on 2004-04-12 14:31 [#01139561]
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Best diet = no diet. 
  That's why I put diet in quotes. To cover that argument, but  you didn't catch it.
 
  If you eat food in some sort of pattern you have yourself a  diet; So, Everyone is on a diet..
 
 
  di·et1    ( P )(dt) n.
  1. The usual food and drink of a person or animal.  2. A regulated selection of foods, as for medical reasons or     cosmetic weight loss.
  3. Something used, enjoyed, or provided regularly: subsisted  on a diet of detective novels during his vacation.
 
 
  I realise the stigma of the word diet, but the definition  remains. Sorry. Your version of diet is number 2 on the  list.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
  
         
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           catharsis
             from Toronto (Canada) on 2004-04-13 00:02 [#01139953]
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Forgive my analysis of the word.
 
  
         
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           rockenjohnny
             from champagne socialism (Australia) on 2004-04-13 01:22 [#01139985]
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interesting.
 
  
         
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           catharsis
             from Toronto (Canada) on 2004-04-13 21:23 [#01141567]
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Thank you peanut gallery.  Would you like a $3.50 low-carb  eighth of a pound chocolate bar? 
 
  
         
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           rockenjohnny
             from champagne socialism (Australia) on 2004-04-14 00:36 [#01141613]
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nah thanks i just had sushi :]
 
  
         
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           catharsis
             from Toronto (Canada) on 2004-04-14 19:00 [#01143261]
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Sushi....now there is an amazing way to eat.  I'm not being  sarcastic this time either.  Traditional Okinawan / Japanese  diets consisting of sea vegetables, raw fish and rice are  among the most healthy "diets" in the world.  Just add some  fruit and you've got the key to super-health. 
 
  
         
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           catharsis
             from Toronto (Canada) on 2004-04-15 18:25 [#01144995]
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My favourite diet is the sour cream, potatoe, bacon,  perogie, steak, cheese, pasta, and burito diet.  Mmmmm...I  love love love the fat.  It's okay, because I can counteract  it with Vitamin C, E, zinc and a B-complex to keep the  triglycerides to a minimum, and prevent LDL cholesterol  oxidation.  Tricks of the trade. 
 
  
         
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           rockenjohnny
             from champagne socialism (Australia) on 2004-04-15 19:07 [#01145031]
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i spend half the day walking :)
 
  
         
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           catharsis
             from Toronto (Canada) on 2004-04-15 19:16 [#01145040]
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That's a start.  You're already doing 10x more than the  average american.  The rate of obesity in North American  (and especially USA itself) is morbidly disgusting.  
 
  A recent epidemiological survey of US children under 12  months (I think) found that the most common vegetable  consumed by that population age group was french fries (it  is in fact a vegetable). Coca-cola was found to be quite the  common addition to baby-bottles in children as young as 7  months old.  How fucking stupid do you have to be exactly? 
 
  
         
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           qrter
             from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2004-04-15 19:22 [#01145048]
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..well.. made from a vegetable.. 
  otherwise tomato-soup is a vegetable.
 
  
         
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           Empiricus
             from South Carolina (United States) on 2004-04-15 20:22 [#01145116]
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    How tall are you, how muscular are you, and how much do  you weigh? I am 6'1 and 184. I lift moderate weights, so I  have above average muscularity (although not much above  average). I run for 30 minutes 4 times a week and do total  body resistance training twice a week. Less than one year  ago today I was 250 pounds. I used Atkins in conjunction  with cardio and weight training. Works for me. 
 
  
         
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           bogala
             from NYC (United States) on 2004-04-15 20:57 [#01145143]
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I could still kick your ass
 
  
         
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           Empiricus
             from South Carolina (United States) on 2004-04-15 21:09 [#01145151]
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 Who are you talking to?
 
  
         
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           catharsis
             from Toronto (Canada) on 2004-04-15 22:26 [#01145208]
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Yes....who are you talking to?  I'm 6'0" and 175lbs, 13%  body fat.  If you're exercising, I commend you.  Consider  yourself on track to true health.  Just be careful when you  utilize diets such as atkins.  If you're not careful, you  can end up doing more harm than good. 
 
  
         
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           catharsis
             from Toronto (Canada) on 2004-04-15 22:50 [#01145212]
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If I had to name a "diet" I would have to suggest the "zone  diet" as a long term weight management solution  (conventionally known as the diabetic diet until it was  popularized by Barry Sears).  The atkins diet is too  extreme, and even in the late 50's and 60's was known as  "crash dieting", and was intended to be utilized on a short  term basis (until it was popularized by Dr. Atkins in the  late 90's). 
 
  
         
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