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Every country has a lot to offer artistically, and culturally but arts and culture isnt what the American expansion offers, it's the junk culture, expendeble, wasteful and utterly empty. |
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there are some good artists even in america, you know... |
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The war HAS been severely altered by the protests. The US game plan had to be severly shuffled and altered. 3000 missiles and bombs werent dropped on the first day(mercifully). The global support has given the Iraqi a sense of nationalism, the resistance is a lot more spirited then it would have been. And Iraqis are not xactly welcoming this intrusion with open arms and song and dance. True. But it did not alter the break out of war. There seems to be a distinct sense of de-ja-vu with this war and Baudrillards "the gulf war did not take place". I don't mean to be overly skeptic, or paranoid for that matter, but exactly how powerful this resistance is, is impossible to judge. Sure, the iraqi people seem to be gaining a sense of "national unity" - but again, one has to see this through the media filter. At bottom line though, no one knows for sure what will happen, so i guess that is where the hope lies. |
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A Million Americans? Refresh my memory. |
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OK, sorry if my reply was harsh. The big thing that stands out for me is WW2 but there's a lot more. You mention the arts. A lot of American pop culture sucks, but much artistic genius has come out of the US. The US has been at the forefront of many of our great scientific advances and, for balance, many of the not so great. The US has enabled great medical and technological advances. Like I've said, it has major faults, as all countries do, but it's wrong to portray the US as pure evil as Red would appear to do. A debate like this needs balance. |
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A million???? I think you need to check your figures. Try a few hundred thousand. |
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Refresh your memory as to what? |
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"A debate like this needs balance. " Arguably it is a balance found in the irresoluteness of differing opinions. |
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I know Hollywood has taught Americans that they won the second world war and saved the Europeans but that is a gross distortion of history. If we are gonna thank anyone, let's thank the Russians for a start. |
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It's actually going more of the way of a feedback loop. The Protests will feed the Iraqis, the Iraqis will offer stiffer resistance. Stiffer resistance means more Coalition casualities. More coalition casualities means increased protesting from increased sector of population etc etc, until Americans bring out the big guns and quash whatever resistance is left, which will mean increased number of protestation, and finally hopefully more swayed votes at the polls. Much like Veitnam but only with a lot more blow by blow coverage. |
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Well, I'd have to disagree with you for once. It does export a lot of crap and a homogenized culture, but it also offers me Wu Tang mofo! |
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I dont think there is a single instance in history when a million Americans have been killed. |
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American casualties in WW2: Killed: 405,399 Injured: 671,846 My maths isn't great, but that sure looks like over a million to me. |
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Wu Tang is not on offer as readily as McDonalds and Coke, you have to dig for it, and seek it. |
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FIGHT the acid attack! |
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Red: I see your point, and i certainly think current actions can be "de-throned" - all i find intriguing is to what length one/we need to go through to achieve this change in action. Things definetly have the potential to turn very ugly for Bush et. al.'s interests. But they seem pretty resolute to see a regime change ... dunno. |
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Oh right, so the Americans did nothing to help us win in WW2. HELLO? HELLO? REALITY CHECK! |
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*The US has been at the forefront of many of our great scientific advances and, for balance, many of the not so great. The US has enabled great medical and technological advances. But sadly enough all of the great technological and medical advances are not as readily available to the world as the bad ones. I would say more people in the third world have been exposed to American weapons than they have to the life saving technologies. The life saving technologies are monopolised by the corporation. It comes at a severe cost and a huge price. Sometimes War. |
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I'm not sure what it's like in New Zealand, but you can get Wu-Tang in pretty much any record store here ;) |
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Over 20 million Russians, more than 9 million Allied soldiers and about 6 million men from the Axis nations died in the war. American losses were about 300,000 men. While I don't equate losses with contribution this is a good indicator. And you joined pretty late on in the game. |
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Yes they did. But those vested interest raise their ugly head again, so that they could harvest all the Nazi technology and brains. Most of the American Weapons Supremacy you see today has been directly the result of Nazi War criminals being on the payrolls all over from NASA to the Manhattan project. |
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Did I say "nothing"? I just said you overemphasise your contribution. |
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Particularly in the field of medicines, US corporations have a poor attitude to developing nations when it comes to making these available at affordable prices. |
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It's hard to overemphasise 405,399 dead people. |
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It can go either way. While the Gulf War I soared Bush Sr. popularity polls. It didnt help Republicans regain the power. |
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I know. |
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Well lets put it this way. If we carried out a spot check. Everybody just about everywhere in the world will know what McDonalds or Coke is or who Sylvester Stallone or Schewarzeneggar is but..Wu Tang? It will be few and far between. |
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Hmm, no, we joined in 1939. I don't for one second deny that other countries paid a greater price than the US in terms of manpower, but it's the US that's the subject of this discussion. There seems to be an attitude that the US has done little for the world, I want to point out that's simply not the case. |
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usa still has the military supremacy but no longer the econocic supremacy, ok, its tru that they are on top, but not with suc a diference as in the military way, so they have to reinforce their economic situation with their military power. they invented this war but the rest of the countries will pay the costs. they show their power, military industry keeps on working and they cause costs to their economic rivals. |
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I wish some Americans would get out of bed, I feel like I'm alone in this topic ;) |
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alone maybe, but that doesn't make you wrong. |
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yeah yeah, its the red/danbrusca thread :) |
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With extra added jonesy. |
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Couldnt have put it better myself. |
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Yeah we are parners in crime danbrusca even though we may be on the opposite ends of the coin:) |
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It makes a change to have a worthy adversary ;) |
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My shout of the pints at the pub then;) |
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Pints? Don't you mean Starbuck lattes mofo?! |
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Gotta go now. Catch you later mates:) |
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finishing the sentence of tolstoyed ! ...and will lose more that they truely can imagine. Young people like you and me which decided to serve. Well you can say : They decided that way but I guess - once you down there and you feel all that war around you. The Bombing - seeing dead people - the bullets passes besides you and you feel the fear - or much heavier like seen on tv. The Soldiers that got catched - and you see the fear in their eyes and all that. At that point I think. Is it that worth ? What does a Soldier thinks in kind of that moment ? 1. I should have better stayed home ! 2. I should have better not decided for the army ! 3. I should have better not voted for Bush ! or does he think : 4. Well I don t care - I wanted it that way. If you ask me the third thought makes most sense. Bush isn t right inside. Just following his father in a much more agressive way. Nobody has the right to play god. |
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FUCK Starbucks:p It's only beer and Chardonay foro me mate:) |
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...and Moet and Hennessy for me dawg! l8r |
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