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naturally one side is going to condemn the other. all im saying is that the least we can do is show respect for our countrymen. i fortunately dont have relatives or friends in the armed forces (well not any more).. but do you see what im getting at here? |
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as far as I know there is no compulsary drafts in any countries participating in this war any more..so all of the soldiers participating are professionals...engaged in a profession of their choice..so if their profession leads them into an immoral war...that's implicitly their choice..otherwise why are we still chasing after Nazi War Criminals?? |
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Best way to do it is to pose a peace protester and instigate a riot. Throw rocks at the police from within the crowd etc. the anonymity of the crowd will protect you and your actions will lower the opinion people have of anti-war protestors in general. Governments the world over use this tactic to justify giving all sorts of protesters a kicking. |
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i think respect deserves to be earned, not tossed around like confetti, but that's just me. I reserve my respect for those who prove to me that they're worth it. I don't soldier bash... I'll bash or respect each individual who comes back from war based on how they handled themselves, and whether or not they were in it for blind killing of iraqis, or a more noble cause. |
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i think you guys do. when you break things down from the government to an individual level you cant just talk about things being evil because it isnt that simple. |
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I believe respect should be earned, but deference should be given as a standard. Naturally, if people aren't civil to you... |
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whoa now, who said anything about evil? |
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nope I am just calling it an Occupational Hazard..if they get scorn for a war that was wrong they should be able to take it without us feeling sorry for them in advance and hence..lessening the implications of their proposed actions... |
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Lots of anti war people on this board have said things along the lines, "Bush is evil", "The USA is a criminal" etc. |
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Agents provacateurs. Well known by the left and usually they are pigs in sheep's clothing. Or something. |
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i'll give them common courtesy, but i don't think that a position alone deserves my respect. If a former soldier walks up to me and starts talking to them, i'll take the same amount of interest i would about any profession. If they appear to have made a positive impact in some way with their time as a soldier, yay, i respect them. If they just brag about all the damn towelheads they killed, i'm going to give them hell, or at least the evil eye, for fear of getting shot :P |
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yeah and that is fortunate. i wouldnt enlist myself! im no fan of killing, a real pacifist. but those who do show patriotism.. and for a place like australia, i think that is admirable. when i occasionally see someone in fatigues out in the city or wherever, i dont feel like spitting, rather my heart goes out to them. |
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Bush IS evil.. whats your point? |
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i've got some black army pants. give me your heart. okay, i'm just getting slap happy, i'm a bit buzzed still, and now i need sleep in a bad way, so i'll make this the end of my long rampage of posts on this subject. |
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Its patriotic to kill people of other countries? |
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dumb AND evil now that is an apocalyptic cocktail no? |
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Definately- deference should be the same for all people you meet, rank shouldn't alter that. Flea: I was just answering mongoloid's question. Jonesy: ...and sometimes they're just leftists up for a ruck ;) I don't think the govt. would be stupid enough to use police- there's a good chance they'd be recognised - I imagine they'd use MI agents or even just people sympathetic to the elite. |
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Yes- it show your country is "better" at war :P Flea: I may just ask for one of those next time I'm in a cocktail bar ;) |
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yeah, ive seen the ugly side of the coin as well, no doubt. i once bumped into a bunch of marines who had just arrived in perth on the way home from afghanistan. they were talking about how they had 'annihilated those taliban fucks'.. they were really quite scary. what was more frightening was to hear a viewpoint such as this 'if a 14 year old is coming at you and your buddies with an AK, what do you do?' its a very ugly thing. but how can a soldier have standards when they are in the moment? they have to block standards out. |
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they should make a drink named after the MOAB. |
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its real tasty..2 shots of Radioactive Ooze and a pinch of ground pretzels:) |
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Hi Red, long time no see :) Rocken: Yes, a lot of people in the forces lose a certain degree of their humanity. It's necessary for them to in order to be better soliders. |
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There's neccessary, and then there's excessive... i think the difference is to often blurred... but i'll save that one for later, as i have to get some damn sleep you bastards. |
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or even just survival |
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As harsh as it sounds, what can you do if the enemy are using pregnant women as human shields? Just get shot to bits? It's the people who elect to use them as human shields that are killing them, not the ones pulling the triggers. |
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That humans shield argument is complete bullshit; propaganda. |
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im inclined to agree with you there as well these are all hard things to come to terms with, and its a challenge to think realisitically |
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ok, but just suppose. |
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Sorry, I'm not trying to wind you up, but I genuinely don't understand... what's bullshit about it? That some countries don't use women/kids as suicide bombers as they know it's harder for soliders to bring themselves to shoot them? |
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In a word, no. If you are referring to a different situation, that of Palestinian suicide bombers, those people choose to do that, they are nether trained nor brought up to be suicide bombers. They choose the only way they see of fighting back at their oppressors. Israel is the 3rd largest military in the world and the Palestinians don't even have a state. When confronted with helicopter gunships, tanks and bulldozers they get tired with stones and slingshots. |
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But the fact that they're taught they'll go to heaven for dying for their cause could be seen as propoganda by someone that a doesn't believe in it, couldn't it? |
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Palestinian suicide bombers do not blow themselves up to go to Heaven or for Islam, they do it because they have suffered so harshly since their land was occupied. Do not believe everything your Jewish friend tells you. |
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Perhaps not all of them, but you're saying none of them are fanatics?! Palestinian family friends have also criticised the actions of religious extremists in their country- one woman we know likened them to the IRA. They claim religous motivation, but do not represent the majority of Christians... |
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martyrdom is a real thing. it can be a measure of desparation, but its also done of out pride. compare to the kamikaze |
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No. that is propaganda. Do you not know what Israel is founded on? THAT is fanaticism. |
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The IRA are not about religion; they are about the reunification of Ireland and civil rights for Catholics. Religion is nothing to do with it. |
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What? Have you never met any IRA supporters? |
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Why would have had to meet them? Besides, I support their cause, if not their methods. |
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