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offline jonesy from Lisboa (Portugal) on 2002-07-23 15:51 [#00321278]
Points: 6650 Status: Lurker | Followup to Ceri JC: #00321269



I was baptised a Catholic.


 

offline Meho Krljic from Beograd (Yugoslavia) on 2002-07-23 15:51 [#00321279]
Points: 6617 Status: Addict | Followup to Loogie: #00321266



Loogie: as I said, it is not important that you or I could
not live without a dishwasher/ water heater/ running water/
television/ internet. We are not important, if we are
discssing the benefits of human race or planet as a whole.

The problem with capitalist/ consumer society is that it's
so easily marketed. Look at all those very same tribesmen in
africa quickly adopting habits of "us, westerners", drinking
coca-cola instead of water, wearing brandname clothes,
making hip-hop etc. Because it's the capitalism's greatest
weapon, the idea that serial reproduction of articles and
free market economy actually contribute to better life
sounds really reasonable to people who haven't yet been on
the receiving end and don't have the perspective on the
global consequences.


 

offline Meho Krljic from Beograd (Yugoslavia) on 2002-07-23 15:52 [#00321280]
Points: 6617 Status: Addict | Followup to jonesy: #00321278



Jonesy, my one true love, I'm finishing my message in about
5 minutes.


 

offline jonesy from Lisboa (Portugal) on 2002-07-23 15:53 [#00321283]
Points: 6650 Status: Lurker



Driving back to Rugby very late one night a couple of weeks
ago, I was tuned in to a totally unknown local radio
station, that was playing hit records of the late fifties
and sixties, being a child of that era I was singing along
quite merrily - It‘s sad I know, but I have to admit that
I know all the words of the Everley Brothers, ‘Cathie’s
Clown’ and many more and yet I stumble at some of the
better known hymns - Clearly the sign of a misspent youth!
But then the radio station moved on to a later time and lost
me. I gave up when they started playing Dire Straits ‘Walk
of Life’. I have some admiration for Mark Knofler as an
accomplished guitarist, but as for his ability to sing, well
I struggle here! But the title of that record set me
thinking about the ‘Walk of Life’.
Recently, I have been looking at the life of Abraham, the
‘father of righteousness’ and you can’t really look
seriously at his life without taking into account
righteousness and all that it is and all that it means to
you and me. Let me try and put Abraham into context. Abraham
or Abram, as he was known then, was 75 years old when he
entered Canaan. He wasn’t a Canaanite he was a Chaldean.
We know that God had been working in his life preparing him
for what lay ahead, before he was called out from Ur of the
Chaldeans. But at 75, even by Biblical proportions, he was
not exactly in the springtime of his life, yet in obedience
to his calling he walked hundreds of miles into the land of
Canaan.
God rewarded Abram’s obedience with a promise - A
covenant. Now I know, we have all had promises made to us by
people and often we have been let down. But here God made
what can only be described as a fantastic promise! Even more
fantastic to Abram and his wife Sarai, because they’d
reached that great age and remained childless! What God
promised was that the seed of this childless man would be
too great to number and what's more they would also have a
land for them to live in! This is where we see Abram as a
man of godly integrity - He believed and never


 

offline MachineofGod from the land of halo's (United States) on 2002-07-23 15:54 [#00321284]
Points: 3088 Status: Lurker



here its been very hot lately like 90 degrees or so
(fahrenheit). I always recycle and yell at others who
don't. i recycle paper,plastic and we have this little
house in new york that we go to. I take all the glass we
cant recycle here and take it there.

i could live easily without computers and tvs but music is
probably the only form of entertainment that I really really
want would think I need. If i could only have 1 it'd be
music. books are also a good thing to have. its probably
better to not watch tv or go on the internet because you
wont be hearing about buying all this shit you dont need
(fight club talks about this quite a bit). Were all
consumers so we keep buying unecessary things that waste
space and we end up throwing them away eventually. we first
need to stop big businesses that produce all of this and
pollute the environment. then we should stop capitalism as
the rich keep buying all this crap and the middle class
tries to overtake the rich. then and only then will be
able to focus on fixing all this shit in the world that
we've created but unwillingly take the credit for bringing
about. people get mad about the weather but most people wont
even god forbid think that they had something to do with
this happening in the first place. of course its a combined
effort from everyone buying and getting rid of and polluting
but each person that does it makes it worse.


 

offline jonesy from Lisboa (Portugal) on 2002-07-23 15:54 [#00321285]
Points: 6650 Status: Lurker



and never doubted God and because of this, God blessed him
again - He added righteousness to this man's heavenly
account.
This is where we really do see God's great condescension to
man. Giving a man a righteous standing before Himself
because of his faith and belief. However, in chapter 15 and
verse 8 of Genesis, we read something that at first appears
to be a seed of doubt creeping into Abram’s mind. But
clearly from God’s response it is not. Abram asks God,
"How shall I know that I will inherit it?" Here God
recognises that Abram, the Chaldean, needs something
Chaldean to act as a sign of commemoration. The sacrifice
that God instructs Abram to prepare was not something of His
making, but a traditional Chaldean practise. When covenants
were made in that part of the world, they would be affirmed
by the death of an animal, the number of animals being
dependent upon the importance and relevance of the covenant.
God expressed His wonderful grace to Abram by instructing
him to prepare a Chaldean sacrifice, something that Abram
would really understand.
So as Abram gathered together the animals and prepared them,
he understood the importance and sanctity of the covenant by
the number of animals that God instructed him to bring. In
the Chaldean tradition, the animals would be divided into
two pieces and the parties to the covenant would walk
between the divided portions. The implication being that
this is what might happen to either of the parties if they
did not fulfil their part of the deal!
In Chapter 15 of Genesis, God instructed Abram to divide the
animals that he had collected and I imagine that he would
have expected to walk with God between the divided pieces of
animal. But had this happened, the agreement between God and
Abram would have been bilateral and therefore the fulfilment
of the covenant would be dependent upon the actions of BOTH
parties. But when it came to the time to walk, a deep sleep
fell upon Abram and God ALONE, in the image of the smoking
oven and torch, passed between the divided pi


 

offline Loogie from Oxford (United Kingdom) on 2002-07-23 15:55 [#00321287]
Points: 1371 Status: Lurker



Meho I like your perspective on things.

What's the answer to all this?
How about kill the Americans

only joking in case it wasn't clear


 

offline Loogie from Oxford (United Kingdom) on 2002-07-23 16:00 [#00321293]
Points: 1371 Status: Lurker



i didn't know you were a religous man jonesy


 

offline Meho Krljic from Beograd (Yugoslavia) on 2002-07-23 16:01 [#00321295]
Points: 6617 Status: Addict



Loogie: no answer. Oppose capitalism wherever, whenever you
can. We may never stop it but we don't have to contribute to
it either, we can set up an example, a state of mind for
others to look upon...

BTW, I dont think this is really jonesy.


 

offline Meho Krljic from Beograd (Yugoslavia) on 2002-07-23 16:02 [#00321296]
Points: 6617 Status: Addict



Oh, wait, it is, he just confirmed it in an email.


 

offline Meho Krljic from Beograd (Yugoslavia) on 2002-07-23 16:03 [#00321299]
Points: 6617 Status: Addict



OK, I'm out for today. See ya all tomorrow, hoes!!! Thanks
for the fun.


 

offline smokehammer from Saigon (Vietnam) on 2002-07-23 16:28 [#00321311]
Points: 1463 Status: Lurker



looks like we only have 4 more days to wait until a **
HEATWAVE ** hits the UK .

I just got that off 2 reliable weather sites... erm .... the
same ones that said last winter would be severe and snowy
... :(


 

offline ExHore from Stamford, Ct. (United States) on 2002-07-23 16:52 [#00321345]
Points: 2157 Status: Regular



kill all americans is better.


 

offline deadwhitespoon from Vancouver (Canada) on 2002-07-23 18:15 [#00321463]
Points: 271 Status: Lurker



Scarey shit on the mb...

read Thomas Homer-Dixon's

Ingenuity Gap

for more hope/fear!!!

www.ingenuitygap.com

People can't cope with the amount of information out there.
The crashes ging on the stock trading world are not at all
surprising. Theories are basically maps of information, but
information is growing and changing so quickly that the
theories of complex systems (weather, economies, societies,
etc.) are obsolete and useless on any practical level. the
number of trades and reactions to trades are creating mocro
trends that are unpredictable in the short run and
disasterous in the long run. Greenspan is hopelessly
overwhelmed and we expect a speach from GW to pick things
back up!? There is so much we don't know that it's
impossible to run anything reliably today. All you type-As
out there are fucked and need to re-wire your selves inorder
to survive: systems won't and don;t work...there are no
reliable rules. Things will change, but first...trauma.

In response to the UK rain and misery. More's to come. the
is a cold water undersea current called the thermohaline
circulation that runs from the arctic pacific and surfaces
up along France and the UK, bringing the warmer climate
you've come to enjoy ("warmer" compared to other countries
as far north as you). As global warming melts the polar ice
caps, the salinity of this water, and therefore the density,
changes. As this changes, the path of the current changes.
when the current stops surfacing close to the UK, the UK
becomes Norway. Cool, eh?

how bout that druqks album, tho'...

and talk about overload of information...


 


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