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jonesy
from Lisboa (Portugal) on 2002-07-23 15:51 [#00321278]
Points: 6650 Status: Lurker | Followup to Ceri JC: #00321269
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I was baptised a Catholic.
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Meho Krljic
from Beograd (Yugoslavia) on 2002-07-23 15:51 [#00321279]
Points: 6617 Status: Addict | Followup to Loogie: #00321266
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Loogie: as I said, it is not important that you or I could not live without a dishwasher/ water heater/ running water/ television/ internet. We are not important, if we are discssing the benefits of human race or planet as a whole.
The problem with capitalist/ consumer society is that it's so easily marketed. Look at all those very same tribesmen in africa quickly adopting habits of "us, westerners", drinking coca-cola instead of water, wearing brandname clothes, making hip-hop etc. Because it's the capitalism's greatest weapon, the idea that serial reproduction of articles and free market economy actually contribute to better life sounds really reasonable to people who haven't yet been on the receiving end and don't have the perspective on the global consequences.
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Meho Krljic
from Beograd (Yugoslavia) on 2002-07-23 15:52 [#00321280]
Points: 6617 Status: Addict | Followup to jonesy: #00321278
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Jonesy, my one true love, I'm finishing my message in about 5 minutes.
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jonesy
from Lisboa (Portugal) on 2002-07-23 15:53 [#00321283]
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Driving back to Rugby very late one night a couple of weeks ago, I was tuned in to a totally unknown local radio station, that was playing hit records of the late fifties and sixties, being a child of that era I was singing along quite merrily - It‘s sad I know, but I have to admit that I know all the words of the Everley Brothers, ‘Cathie’s Clown’ and many more and yet I stumble at some of the better known hymns - Clearly the sign of a misspent youth! But then the radio station moved on to a later time and lost me. I gave up when they started playing Dire Straits ‘Walk of Life’. I have some admiration for Mark Knofler as an accomplished guitarist, but as for his ability to sing, well I struggle here! But the title of that record set me thinking about the ‘Walk of Life’.
Recently, I have been looking at the life of Abraham, the ‘father of righteousness’ and you can’t really look seriously at his life without taking into account righteousness and all that it is and all that it means to you and me. Let me try and put Abraham into context. Abraham or Abram, as he was known then, was 75 years old when he entered Canaan. He wasn’t a Canaanite he was a Chaldean. We know that God had been working in his life preparing him for what lay ahead, before he was called out from Ur of the Chaldeans. But at 75, even by Biblical proportions, he was not exactly in the springtime of his life, yet in obedience to his calling he walked hundreds of miles into the land of Canaan.
God rewarded Abram’s obedience with a promise - A covenant. Now I know, we have all had promises made to us by people and often we have been let down. But here God made what can only be described as a fantastic promise! Even more fantastic to Abram and his wife Sarai, because they’d reached that great age and remained childless! What God promised was that the seed of this childless man would be too great to number and what's more they would also have a land for them to live in! This is where we see Abram as a man of godly integrity - He believed and never
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MachineofGod
from the land of halo's (United States) on 2002-07-23 15:54 [#00321284]
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here its been very hot lately like 90 degrees or so (fahrenheit). I always recycle and yell at others who don't. i recycle paper,plastic and we have this little house in new york that we go to. I take all the glass we cant recycle here and take it there.
i could live easily without computers and tvs but music is probably the only form of entertainment that I really really want would think I need. If i could only have 1 it'd be music. books are also a good thing to have. its probably better to not watch tv or go on the internet because you wont be hearing about buying all this shit you dont need (fight club talks about this quite a bit). Were all consumers so we keep buying unecessary things that waste space and we end up throwing them away eventually. we first need to stop big businesses that produce all of this and pollute the environment. then we should stop capitalism as the rich keep buying all this crap and the middle class tries to overtake the rich. then and only then will be able to focus on fixing all this shit in the world that we've created but unwillingly take the credit for bringing about. people get mad about the weather but most people wont even god forbid think that they had something to do with this happening in the first place. of course its a combined effort from everyone buying and getting rid of and polluting but each person that does it makes it worse.
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jonesy
from Lisboa (Portugal) on 2002-07-23 15:54 [#00321285]
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and never doubted God and because of this, God blessed him again - He added righteousness to this man's heavenly account.
This is where we really do see God's great condescension to man. Giving a man a righteous standing before Himself because of his faith and belief. However, in chapter 15 and verse 8 of Genesis, we read something that at first appears to be a seed of doubt creeping into Abram’s mind. But clearly from God’s response it is not. Abram asks God, "How shall I know that I will inherit it?" Here God recognises that Abram, the Chaldean, needs something Chaldean to act as a sign of commemoration. The sacrifice that God instructs Abram to prepare was not something of His making, but a traditional Chaldean practise. When covenants were made in that part of the world, they would be affirmed by the death of an animal, the number of animals being dependent upon the importance and relevance of the covenant. God expressed His wonderful grace to Abram by instructing him to prepare a Chaldean sacrifice, something that Abram would really understand.
So as Abram gathered together the animals and prepared them, he understood the importance and sanctity of the covenant by the number of animals that God instructed him to bring. In the Chaldean tradition, the animals would be divided into two pieces and the parties to the covenant would walk between the divided portions. The implication being that this is what might happen to either of the parties if they did not fulfil their part of the deal!
In Chapter 15 of Genesis, God instructed Abram to divide the animals that he had collected and I imagine that he would have expected to walk with God between the divided pieces of animal. But had this happened, the agreement between God and Abram would have been bilateral and therefore the fulfilment of the covenant would be dependent upon the actions of BOTH parties. But when it came to the time to walk, a deep sleep fell upon Abram and God ALONE, in the image of the smoking oven and torch, passed between the divided pi
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Loogie
from Oxford (United Kingdom) on 2002-07-23 15:55 [#00321287]
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Meho I like your perspective on things.
What's the answer to all this? How about kill the Americans
only joking in case it wasn't clear
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Loogie
from Oxford (United Kingdom) on 2002-07-23 16:00 [#00321293]
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i didn't know you were a religous man jonesy
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Meho Krljic
from Beograd (Yugoslavia) on 2002-07-23 16:01 [#00321295]
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Loogie: no answer. Oppose capitalism wherever, whenever you can. We may never stop it but we don't have to contribute to it either, we can set up an example, a state of mind for others to look upon...
BTW, I dont think this is really jonesy.
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Meho Krljic
from Beograd (Yugoslavia) on 2002-07-23 16:02 [#00321296]
Points: 6617 Status: Addict
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Oh, wait, it is, he just confirmed it in an email.
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Meho Krljic
from Beograd (Yugoslavia) on 2002-07-23 16:03 [#00321299]
Points: 6617 Status: Addict
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OK, I'm out for today. See ya all tomorrow, hoes!!! Thanks for the fun.
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smokehammer
from Saigon (Vietnam) on 2002-07-23 16:28 [#00321311]
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looks like we only have 4 more days to wait until a ** HEATWAVE ** hits the UK .
I just got that off 2 reliable weather sites... erm .... the same ones that said last winter would be severe and snowy ... :(
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ExHore
from Stamford, Ct. (United States) on 2002-07-23 16:52 [#00321345]
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kill all americans is better.
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deadwhitespoon
from Vancouver (Canada) on 2002-07-23 18:15 [#00321463]
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Scarey shit on the mb...
read Thomas Homer-Dixon's
Ingenuity Gap
for more hope/fear!!!
www.ingenuitygap.com
People can't cope with the amount of information out there. The crashes ging on the stock trading world are not at all surprising. Theories are basically maps of information, but information is growing and changing so quickly that the theories of complex systems (weather, economies, societies, etc.) are obsolete and useless on any practical level. the number of trades and reactions to trades are creating mocro trends that are unpredictable in the short run and disasterous in the long run. Greenspan is hopelessly overwhelmed and we expect a speach from GW to pick things back up!? There is so much we don't know that it's impossible to run anything reliably today. All you type-As out there are fucked and need to re-wire your selves inorder to survive: systems won't and don;t work...there are no reliable rules. Things will change, but first...trauma.
In response to the UK rain and misery. More's to come. the is a cold water undersea current called the thermohaline circulation that runs from the arctic pacific and surfaces up along France and the UK, bringing the warmer climate you've come to enjoy ("warmer" compared to other countries as far north as you). As global warming melts the polar ice caps, the salinity of this water, and therefore the density, changes. As this changes, the path of the current changes. when the current stops surfacing close to the UK, the UK becomes Norway. Cool, eh?
how bout that druqks album, tho'...
and talk about overload of information...
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