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offline manicminer from Paris (France) on 2002-07-03 09:44 [#00294787]
Points: 1423 Status: Lurker



My advice to anyone at any age contemplating trying any drug
would be: don't bother.

So many people I know have completely fucked their lives up.
It's amazing what a detrimental effect drugs have on
people. I would say every person I know who regularly
smokes weed is fucked in the head, at least to some extent.
And the majority of them have no ambition, drive or future.

The problem with drugs is that once you start doing them,
and you enjoy them, it's very difficult to stop. You start
hanging around with other people who are also into doing
drugs, and you just can't help yourself - if they smoke a
joint, so do you. Eventually, some members of your group
will start moving on to harder drugs, and they'll have a
good time at first. You'll see this, and you'll try the
harder drugs too.

This won't happen in every case, but in 90% of cases I
reckon it's true.

Drugs are also really fucking boring. I know loads of
people who just talk about drugs all the fucking time. It's
shit and they bore me to death. They are so dull - all they
can do to relieve boredom is to smoke a joint, take a pill
or whatever. And that's where they're fucked - they're
dependent on the drugs now. Take the drug away from them,
and they have nothing. They become incredibly depressed and
bored.

Don't believe what anyone tells you - weed is not harmless,
and it can and often does lead onto harder drugs.


 

offline Crocomire from plante (United States) on 2002-07-03 10:36 [#00294826]
Points: 2116 Status: Lurker



90% huh? you're talking out of your ass. just because you
know people or heard of people who smoke weed and then gone
on to harder drugs doesn't mean it was the weed that caused
them to do harder drugs. one thing has absolutely nothing to
do with the other; your arguement has no substance. people
who try harder drugs are just that type of person. the
absolute truth is that weed no more leads to harder drugs
than coffee leads to weed. that's one of the biggest myths
about marijuana.
as an example, me and my cousin. we both started smoking
weed at the same time. years later he experimented with
methamphetamines. he offered me the chance to also, but i
declined. i'm perfectly happy with only weed and will NEVER
move on to harder drugs.


 

offline manicminer from Paris (France) on 2002-07-03 11:09 [#00294835]
Points: 1423 Status: Lurker | Followup to Crocomire: #00294826



How do you know I'm talking out of my fucking ass?

I'm speaking from my own personal experience - how do you
know that isn't what I've experienced?

And I think that's total bullshit that weed doesn't lead
onto harder drugs. Of course it does. Loads of people who
do harder drugs started off with weed (you gave an example
in your posting - your cousin!). I know plenty of people
who started with weed and said that was all they'd ever do,
and now do ecstasy, speed, ketamine and cocaine.

The fact is that once you get into the drug subculture, you
start mixing with other people who take drugs. It's
inevitable that you'll meet people who take drugs other than
weed, and there will be some temptation to try the other
drugs. OK, some people can resist this temptation
(apparently yourself, for example). However, many other
people end up getting drawn into it and taking other drugs.

THAT's how marijuana use leads to use of other drugs.

And even if all you do is weed, that's not exactly an
achievement is it? It's not as if weed is good for you.
You're still risking mental illness (many studies link weed
to paranoid psychosis, schizophrenia etc. I know someone
who works in a mental health clinic, and the majority of
young people who attend are dope-smokers with mental health
problems). You're also risking memory loss, various
cancers, infertility, etc.

So, although you may not take drugs "harder" than weed, you
still use a dangerous drug.



 

offline Meho Krljic from Beograd (Yugoslavia) on 2002-07-03 11:23 [#00294844]
Points: 6617 Status: Addict



Still, who cares, laquero should choose for himself. If he
was to ask "should I slit my wrists tonight as I realise
this life is shit and I don't want to live anymore", well,
it's your choice, ol' boy.


 

offline Nexus 6 from Netherlands, The on 2002-07-03 12:02 [#00294870]
Points: 3221 Status: Lurker



DO'NT DO DRUGS DUDE!

You will only want more after that first time! You'll get
addicted, believe me!


 

offline Nexus 6 from Netherlands, The on 2002-07-03 12:05 [#00294872]
Points: 3221 Status: Lurker



laqeuro I was 13 when I started and I can tell you, these
days I'm like really addicted to it, so please wait until
you're older


 

offline Spikee Dragon from Newcastle (United Kingdom) on 2002-07-03 12:38 [#00294897]
Points: 4176 Status: Regular



If you are going to try drugs I suggest you stay with Ganja
for now. Music after a nice joint is so amazing, you can
feel the music around you and pick up on some fantastic
details. However try to keep it as a weekend thing as
smoking a joint can make you very lazy and will stop you
doing things (Homework, Housework etc). Moderation and small
limitation is the key I think. Don't smoke too much either,
a bad turn is not fun. I've been smoking Ganja for years now
and have no desire to try anything harder then that. Stick
to Ganja as a small Saturday night thing alone or with
friends and I don't think you can go wrong. Ganja is not
chemically addictive like Cigarettes but you can become
dependant on it if you smoke it regularly, I also ruined a
lot of music I like because it now sounds poor unless I have
a joint. I'm the kinda dragon that if I have it I'll smoke
it, so now I've made sure I only have access to it on
weekends. I'm 21 now by the way so maybe at the age of 13
you should follow the others examples and not go for it
quite yet. Certainly don't be bigoted to it as a line like
'Ganja is a horrid drug that kills people' is unmitigated
bullshit but trust me, you will certainly come in contact
with other drugs once your in this world. Be strong and
stick to Ganja if you choose. I'm sure after reading the
collective experiences of everyone on this topic you will
make the correct decision regarding your own life and
respect to you for having the sense to investigate it first.


 

offline BaronVonPickleF from United States on 2002-07-03 20:08 [#00295389]
Points: 688 Status: Regular



I'd say to hold off a few years before trying any kind of
drugs but then again what the hell do I know .......THE
BARON HAS SPOKEN!!!!!!


 

offline Crocomire from plante (United States) on 2002-07-03 21:16 [#00295527]
Points: 2116 Status: Lurker



manicmincer - you're still talking the same flawed
reasoning. it's not the weed that leads onto harder drugs,
it's THE PERSON and the CHOICES THEY MAKE IN CERTAIN
SITUATIONS! the example i gave with my cousin is the
perfect example of this, because i chose not to do harder
drugs, therefore my smoking weed had absolutely nothing to
do with my choice. You're trying to link two things that
have only incidental effect on eachother. weed, in
situations where people get drawn into harder drug
situations, could be any illegal drug and have the same end
result for these CERTAIN TYPE OF PEOPLE who end up using
harder drugs, so it's not the weed's fault in the least!
it's the person's fault for making the choices. CHANCES ARE
THEY WOULD MAKE THE SAME CHOICES IF WEED NEVER ENTERED THE
EQUATION.
plus, there's TONS of weed smokers that stay clear of
situations in which hard drug use goes on, probably just as
many as not, if not more. basiclly you're using weed as a
scapegoat.

the studies you cite are not definitive proof. do you have a
source on the web? sufficient official study can't be done
on marijuana because the government won't allow it, so as to
continue shrowding the truth with fear of the unknown,
exagerated claims, and false logic statements such as the
one you're making. there's also UNBIASED studies that say
weed has no ill effects that you speak of.


 

offline Laqeuro from New York City (United States) on 2002-07-03 21:28 [#00295542]
Points: 3167 Status: Regular



christ just let this thread die


 

offline Zephyr Twin from ΔΔΔ on 2002-07-04 04:06 [#00296051]
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In the most nonbiased way I can sum it up:

1)if I were you, I would wait just a little bit.
2)weed CAN lead to stronger things but if you have ANY
willpower it all I gaurantee it will not. I have smoked weed
for over 6 months and never done ANY other drugs, I dont
even drink!
3)If you practice control, your chances of becoming even
psychologically dependent are much less (ie, dont buy that
much or have the willpower to only smoke once a weekend or
whatever).

Overall, it depends on the individual. I will say this, I
planned to only smoke weed long enough to get high once just
so I could see what its like, but now that I know I still do
it, so be warned, it may not end up as innocently as you
have hoped.


 

offline Zephyr Twin from ΔΔΔ on 2002-07-04 04:07 [#00296053]
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and where's my goddamned avatar???


 

offline Zephyr Twin from ΔΔΔ on 2002-07-04 04:09 [#00296056]
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ahhh, thar she blows ;)


 

offline EVOL from a long time ago on 2002-07-04 04:37 [#00296079]
Points: 4921 Status: Lurker



i don't smoke ciggarettes and i'd much rather smoke weed
than drink but i'm trying to cut back on the smoking weed
so i've noticed i drink more but really i drink the same
amount it just feels like more cuz there's no smoking weed
in betweeen and i don't do caffiene either i know my limits
that's all


 

offline EVOL from a long time ago on 2002-07-04 04:39 [#00296080]
Points: 4921 Status: Lurker



oh yeah i've cut my self off from tv too!


 

offline Laqeuro from New York City (United States) on 2002-07-04 04:47 [#00296088]
Points: 3167 Status: Regular



fine guys
i'll just stick to my hand and my music for a while. =)


 


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