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hahahaha. |
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meho i don't understand why you have this attitude. |
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it's a rip-off sytem, mate: ripping off is inbuilt whenever you have to deal with manufacturing/ packaging/ distribution. |
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And I'm sorry if my attitude offends you, it was not meant to do it, I have nothing against you personally. I'm just a system-hater in every sense. |
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not really. do you think we manufacture LP's out of thin air? the record company not only has to pay for materials/packaging/artwork/mastering etc etc but also we have to pay staff so they can pay their rent! |
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what is the place of labels in a digital world, core?... Without manufacturing/packaging/artwork...they seem kinda out-of-date.... |
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so how do we pay the artists to make music full-time then? |
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Core: do you think I am stupid? Fair enough if you do, because I probably often sound stupid, but even so: I am aware of all that and this is why I am against the industry in general and music industry in particular: having to boost your business in order to sustain your existence is bad for the art the business is about. It is the same for small as for big labels. The whole political-economy system is exploitative, it is inherent, it is built-in. |
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Core, you've got it all arse about tits. Those who work for the record companies, the artists and us the consumers are all getting severly arse-raped by the record co's. They get rich, or even if they don't get rich, they make a profit from the efforts of the workers and artists. Without you they would be up shit creek without an effin paddle. |
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How much would an album cost if it was distributed as MP3s on the internet? |
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But what is this making-music-full-time nonsense now? You make it sound like a fucking 9-5 job, Core. I thought I was clear enough about it yesterday: those needing to make music will continue to do so until their physical destruction, regardless of the conditions. |
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meho i agree with your points in principle, but from my point of view your argument doesn't have any relevance to the level of the industry that i work in. |
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its time for chnage then. |
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chnage* change |
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the artists i have worked with, many of whom are no doubt in your collections, would never have created the output they have if they were also holding down day-jobs. |
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and that includes the great rdj. |
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But small record companies do not exist in isolation. what happens when a minor company starts to make more profit? Will it share it with everyone by paying the artist more, and the worker more and reducing the price of CDs? Will they knackers. They'll keep it. Its the logic of capitalism and its all pervasive. And anyway I don't give shit because 'Livin On a Prayer' by Bon Jovi has just come on the radio and my fist is in the air and I love you all so much. Woooooo. |
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sorry jonesy, but the artists get paid royalties, which is directly proportionate to the number of sales. |
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Some Bartok has appeared in my itunes and I hate you all :o) |
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What everyone is saying core...... The artists don't need a middle man like YOU the record company (parasites) to pay them in this digital era. Soon there will be a long overdue shift in power when people download tracks they want + artwork etc bypassing you and all the misc. costs holding up your business. |
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Are you considering to sell MP3s on the internet? If not, why not? |
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jivverdicker, your message is both ill-informed and unnecessarily abusive. it seems to be a waste of time trying to explain the facts here. |
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Will they knackers! hee hee |
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Please explain which bit is misinformed? It's not intended to be abusive, I'm just stating facts, it might be awkward for you to come to terms with them but that's life... |
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What about your cut dude? Do you get a share of the profits? Me no think so. Without someone like you do play your part in the distribution chain then your label would make less money or no money at all. Therefore you add value to the product. Part of this contribution you make is taken from you and the rest you recieve in wages. This is the basis of wage labour and capitalist exploitation. I wouldn't romanticise your employer just because they distribute music you love. |
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Oh man! Kiss's 'Crazy Nights' is now on the radio. My fist is once again raised and pumping (oo-err). I love you once again. "The sun goes down like a bad, bad dream...they say they can break you...if life is a radio turn it up to ten". |
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I think jivver hit it on the head...like so many industries are finding... It's a different world now...things have moved on and you & your industry are clinging to the way things worked yesterday... |
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Doesn't your radio go up to 11?...you pauper!!...;).. |
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Core: it infests all levels: how old are you? Do you remember all those anti-CD campaigns raging on punk scene in the late 80s, early 90s because of the fact that, regardlless of which label puts a CD out, every single copy means profit for those holding the copyright: even the most anarchist of punk CD's contribute to Sony making more money. It's the same with all other details in record manufacturing/ distributing. Industry does not care about art, it cares about profit. The less you have to deal with it, the better. Of course, even using internet, we support part of the industry: this should not be forgotten. |
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With any luck the industry will change so much we will no longer have to endure shit pop music. The majors will no longer be able to sell tunes as everybody will be ripping them the moment they get released. So no money will find its way to them. We can but dream! |
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What, like Spinal Tap's amps? |
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Don't even look at my amp. |
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too right...all my kit goes up to eleven... 10 is for girls..;).. |
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File sharing networks are a classic example of . This is a pretty good book if you have interest in business and technology. It has a rather pessimistic view on large companies' ability to adapt to new trends. Based on what we've seen so far, it doesn't look good for the record industry. |
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BTW, I have about ten minutes left in the office, so if any of you wants to argue with me some more, come ON!!! |
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i didn't expect so much hostility from fans of the music we release :-( |
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I already said I wanted to argue on another thread. You have been hogging Jonsey for days now. It is my turn. |
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But goddamn it, none of these threads are ever going to change anyone's opinion. File sharing is here to stay so get used to it. Record company folks should stop whining, listen to the consumer, and find other sources of revenue if they can. |
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Yup! RDJ should only do live shows and make one of pieces for those events. |
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core, it's not hostility...we're just telling you like it is... We all wanna find a way forward with this but all we get from labels is "you are thieves" & "you are killing music"... we simply want debate...but all we get are legal threats... Is your label looking into micro-payments or alternative ways of generating income?...or simply hoping this all goes away (which it so obviously won't)... |
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Core: I hope i wasn't coming accross as hostile towards you as you seem like a nice person. No personal harm meant, mate. I am just against the industry and I AM NOT A FAN. Quernstone: the girl made her choice, sorry, mate, you are out. |
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'Industry does not care about art, it cares about profit.' That's not always true. There are several dedicated labels that care more about the artwork and integrity of their artists than the profit they produce for them... Constellation for example, who harbor such bands as Godspeed You Black Emperor! , Silver Mt. Zion, and Fly Pan Am among others.. Take a look at this: http://www.cstrecords.com/html/cowards.html |
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I think it's ironic (and sadly typical) that core did not bother replying to jand's legitimate question. |
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well lettting people listen to music online does help record sales i'm sure - all the record label websites i know have mp3's real media and mixes on them of their releases as do most online shops - so this arguement that downloading mp3's from soulseek or audiogalaxy is helpful for hearing music and learning about more artists/labels is rather silly - why don't people visit the lqbel sites to hear music then decide if they like it - rather than downloading illegal mp3's from a server who is making money from advertising and at the same time non accountable to anyone - let alone the general public.. i don't really belive soulseek users are entirley inncent ,.. as for babajela - you need money to do things in my world dear ..maybe in your world you can get it off your dad or something ..but we live in a capitalist society and people need money to survive. the labels provide ample opportunites on their websites to hear their releases, leasrn about their history and artists and link to other sites - downloading stuff from illegal sites has none of this .. |
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jand - your figures are taken from big business figures - the kind of recordings that chart - only chains have the machines that measure sales - so alot of the music you buy doesn't even register .. also it is a fact that electronic music is the most downlioaded on the internet .. the listeners are the most computer literate and are themost likley to make music themselves |
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inverted whale: i only didn't reply earlier as i had gone offline, not because i was avoiding the question. jand: yes of course we are looking into all the options now, the way music is/can be distributed has obviously changed, but nothing changes the hard facts that our label and many others we work with are suffering at the moment, where the larger majors who have artists like britney are basically shrugging off the problem. the only losers (financially) so far seem to be the small labels like us and the lesser-known artists we support. it is a real phenomenon. you should re-read the comments above by my esteemed friend, astrid-gil-botn. he has certainly got a realistic perspective on what we are experiencing. ps no offence taken from the relevant parties above, don't worry :-) it's quite frustrating however, to see comments by some of you guys, who seem to otherwise be very decent intelligent contributors, where you're saying things that are clearly based on spurious myths and ill-informed perceived 'net-wisdom'. i mean no offence when i say please get some straight facts from people in the industry before making sweeping comments about the 'greedy' intentions of the labels who are providing you with so much excellent music. this is nonsense. finally, yes indeed it's a shame to see mr p trying to retract his valid comments. perhaps we need more artists with the conviction to stick up for themselves on this issue. |
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if any of you aspiring musicians out there are reading this, it would be very interesting to read your opinions on this subject both before AND after you get a recording deal... |
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