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I think part of the problem is that we need to make programs more efficiently. New programs are increadibly inefficient, in relation to the features provided in the program and its intended use as well as new GUIs. |
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I blame football for one!! Or to be more precise, I blame organized sports/ business/ popculture thing that football became. Similarly: I blame organised religion/ church/ religious morality proposed as dogma. |
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I believe that people would die of boredrom if they were not religious. |
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It is also a powerful tool for survival. So like if you are not religious, you will not live the way you want... i got something you cannot eat etc. |
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*bumps* |
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God is Love. |
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yes he is |
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yeah... One should think a lot about -what to blame- Blame the persons - Not what made the persons do whatever THEY did. Don't blame music/movies/religion/videogames for stuff that people do, since EVERYTHING they do in life affects what they feel about things, not just ONE thing, and THEY ALWAYS have a choice. Some people have been taught very weird things about what is right/wrong - but they still have a choice: If you want to treat people bad, don't blame anyone/anything else for how you treat people. Religion is never a reason for war (unless the religion itself teaches you to go to war). And it's the same for everything. Don't blame something that isn't related. People always have a choice. The thing that you can blame is a person's past = who made them what they are. But that isn't very specific is it? If all parents took care of their children according to (what I think is) common sense then we'd live in a great world, but now they don't. |
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my post was a reply to grinningcat... damn reply function won't work on IE/Mac. |
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if god exist, man is a slave. if man is free, god does not exist. Just have to choose. |
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But if god is only picture. the picture of money. man is enslaved for life |
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"if god exist, man is a slave." in what way? What is your defintion of god? |
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religion is bullshit. something for small kids like the history about santa claus. i think religion is for weak people or sick people... they search for something they can hang on... look into a church... who do you see ?? -old people -sick people -young people ? - no why's that ? cause when you're old or sick you suddenly think you need some GOD to help you. before that - never... everyone starts to believe when he's ill. or look at what we now call church ! this is ridiculous. have you ever seen a nice nun ?? no !! why ? cause nuns are people who don't know where to get their ass, cause nobody likes them !! hehe "she wanted to go to the church" - bullshit... she wanted something she could make her live make sense.... |
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since my English is quite shitty, i'll try to do my best to explain my position. i think that as long as man use god as a pretext to extend his power, like did the old christian church of Europa in the middle age until they separate governement and religion, or, like do the extremists muslims, for some years now, and extremists from Israel too. As long as Man will not be free to choose his own path in his religion, and see the good of it and not the bad thing in it. As long as the New God Money, will rule the world taking place in every heart and head of mankind stealing they life and they own will, and talking in the name of Allah, Jesus, or even Bouddha. Man will be a slave of a system that he had been once the master. |
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I think before judgeing something you should have read a lot about it. Also you can't say "religion" is bad, cause it's like saying e.g. "people" are bad. There are so many different people. It's also important to consider that we do only have 5 senses. No more, and there are things we cannot experience, due to only having 5 senses. You can't say "there is no god" without defining what you mean by "god", since the word "god" itself is not defined, unless put in context. hope you all get my point. Be open about things. |
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is it for sadist or me? |
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People who aint got no religious believes usually look down on people who do - and why is that? Religion is not the same as science. Some people believe, and if you don't, and don't have any idea of how it is to belive - since it's very subjective, and you'd had to experience it to know what it feels like - don't judge. Prejudice sucks, and a lot of people are VERY prejudice... think about what you all stand for. |
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ok yo chek this out go go go i dont want to rush ,y friend ho your flash is illuminating my gueule olalalla je voi plu rien arratt so stop flashing anywhere u noob..... I M THE MEGA ADMIN SO.... |
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kalaim badkaama > sorry the reply function don't work in IE/mac. It was for bouth of you, for everybody to be more specific. |
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oups sorry. i went mad for a second.. to much counterstrike. i love virtual death. |
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every time the board is too quet I just bump this thread ;) |
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Sadist: I've met many very nice, sweet, dear nuns, actually. And there's a positively HUGE amount of 18-25 year old students here in my very, very liberal not-Christian affiliated college that go to church every Sunday. No one in particular: I'd have to agree with grinningcat that many of the declared athiests that I have met could be classified as 'sheep' as justly as many fanatics in their stance. A lot of people dismiss religion because that's the accepted thing for educated people to do now, without bothering to get any education about it themselves. I can respect an argument made from long study, but the lack of knowledge is so blatant in the reasoning of so many excited new athiests that I wonder how much thought they've really put into it. There's a lot more to the debate than "religion causes wars, and is for the benefit of old women". |
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I didn't said that religion was that bad. i just talked about the fact that religion is used as an argument to extend power of vile governement, There are things i like in religions. - how the sacred books, Bible Coran Torah, are written, - how the universal message of peace in each religion is expressed, - the way they have been written... But man has perverted religion. he changed the message. war because of religion, crusade, jihad. terrorism, manipulations... brough shit and mixed it with religion.. that's my point |
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i'm sorry i used such harsh words... i didn't want to. in fact, i don't have nothing against other religions... if my mother wants to go to thw church, i go with her... i take part in religion class etc. i just have my own statement to religion... but talking about this... hm i don't think most of the people here are old enough (and experienced) for this. myself too. i'm 17. i can't say much about that... in fact at the moment i judge everything with only one sense: seeing... |
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but i don't change my mind about the people believing in god. cause they mostly not EVEN BELIEVE in him, before life doesn't kick their ass |
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If you want to get a definition of religion read the books "everyone talk about". The Bible, Koranen, etc. I recommend Von Däniken's works. I don't know the english name for it (the original's called Meine Welt in Bildern), the swedish version's called "I gudarnas spår", transl: "In the trace of Gods." He brings a theory that all the Gods of which we speak of, are visitors from other galaxies. Tis' no shitty sci fi - he has a point. |
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i sometimes think about it as a possibility of religion birth. Another guy write about primal forms of religion related to drug. like in south america, or for the inca that had many rituals associated to Psychotrops drugs. i forgot the name of the book writer. |
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He brings up theories of the incas as well. If yer interested, kalaim badkaama, I really recommend it. |
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Just out of curiousity, Sadist, since you hold that view, do you think that you would believe in a religion if your life went wrong, or if you become old and sick? I find it difficult to make generalizations about anyone other than myself - Do you think you're like the others you mentioned? |
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I read that scientist discovered that our universe is a birth from many type of spatial gazes that belonged to maybe bigger big bang and so bigger universes than our. so they think that the theory called "Univers experienciel" (maybe eperiencial universe in english) is the key to understand how all that shit began. this theory is interesting cuz it talk about the possibillity to recreate and experimantal universe in controlled environment. a micro big bang in laboratory. and create micro solar system with all the good parameters. |
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now let's imagine. Our universe is a micro system created in laboratory by aliens, like a huge vivarium. And they poisonned us with religion cuz it's a fucking test that is during for too long for us, and some minutes for them... |
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(back at home, and the reply works =) I've never had an interest in knowing "how it all began". I'm just happy my mom+dad gave birth to me, and I'll love them for that forever, cause one will never be able to recieve or give something more wonderful than life. |
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a point and a good one. at least we have the chance to be born on the only livable planet of this system. |
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yeah. We'll I'm even more grateful that I was born by two caring parents. This isn't something you choose, and it couldn't have happened differently, but some people are born by parents who don't care... It's all about parenting. Good parenting = good kids. there is no other way. So yeah, I believe there are a lot of people who don't make good parents. If you screw up somebody's childhood, you'll screw him/her up for life (more or less), cause even if they manage to become civilized persons and with good behaviour, and feel good about themselves, - people do remember. |
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not at all. i'm an ateist and i don't think i'll cange myself. but as i said, i'm to young to tell know. maybe i used the false words... not that they START to believe in him. cause they are cristians. but they start praying, start really care ! i don't think you're a good prayer, if you only do it to ask or beg for something to God. i hope you answer :0 |
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Sorry if this has been stated already, I might read some of this topic later, but you are among many to ponder the possibility that reality is merely consesus reality. So, you're not necessarily insane ;0) But I'm not so sure about the manufactured aspect of religion. I believe (as would many scholars I'm sure, not that they are always right, but they do have a nice view what with all the time spent studying the subject) that organized religions evolve. The creation of a religion is beyond one person one groups conception, it comes out of a desire of the people to have a framework for their spirituality--people don't like the idea of worshiping mystery and facing the fact that there will ALWAYS be unknowns because it's takes much devotion to give into the mystery of your own fire and find your presonal self-loving honest religion. It's so much easier to have faith in the man in the black dress and the big ol' book than it is to have faith in what you feel at the deepest levels it is possible to feel. |
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very interesting topic. I have thought about that example of like believing in the force etc and I think its a valid idea. If enough people believe in something it does happen, whether it be politically, socially or religiously (although it doesnt always reflect the desires of the people in the government) |
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Quantum and for the same reason as Taxidermist |
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Yeah, or to use dawkins term, "memes". |
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your theory is wrong. religion isn't real. its an ideal metasystem we've created for ourselves to assign explanation to things that can't be explained or to things that can be explained by other means. why is it that everyone is an atheist for four thousand or so of the worlds religions but they believe one? i'll take the norse myths over christianity any day. atleast they knew how to kick some ass. |
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religion is a kitty kot |
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your name is killing me ;] |
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organized religion? it's too fucked up, and dangerous. it makes alot of people's egos ballon out to dangerous levels. hazardous. it may do some people good, but do we really need this crap? it's time to evolve. |
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Love is the greatest mystery. And I am profound and cryptic. *undulations through the message board |
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LeCoeur is Jehova |
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believing in something, whether it be religious, spiritual or just off the empirical bandwagon, NEVER makes it ultimately true, but ALWAYS makes it a gradation of truth or falsity - either lesser or greater. this comment is especially relevant when a bunch of people are talking about one supposed topic, which inevitably spans from more than a million interpretations, representations and perceptions. so the original question that started the post seemed to me, like a generalized observation rather than a narrowed down one, therefore making the truthfulness of it quite vague for the majority. |
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Bad. |
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But idiotic enough. |
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hm... |
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that wasn't cryptic at all |
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