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Bob Mcbob
on 2002-05-09 11:18 [#00212030]
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i love the whole hicthikers' guide series. i also have the final, 'mostly harmles' :D
*reccomended*
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Meho Krljic
from Beograd (Yugoslavia) on 2002-05-09 11:24 [#00212035]
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Yeah, me too, have you read "Dirk Gently's holistic detective agency" and "Long Dark Teatime of the soul" Just finnished the latter some days ago. Not as good as his previous books but still nice to read Adams. Pity he died, he still probably had some good books in his head although he wasn't that prolific...
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Ceri JC
from Jefferson City (United States) on 2002-05-09 11:26 [#00212041]
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Dirk Gently's holistic detective agency is very good. I think I prefer it to the hitchhikers guide to the galaxy- probably because it's about religion and technology, 2 of my favourite things :)
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Meho Krljic
from Beograd (Yugoslavia) on 2002-05-09 11:31 [#00212050]
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I agree.
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Ceri JC
from Jefferson City (United States) on 2002-05-09 11:32 [#00212053]
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I read the bible quite often too. But I don't think we should kill deviants :)
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Quernstone
from Padova (Italy) on 2002-05-09 11:33 [#00212058]
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'Comming up for air' by Orwell. Very underrated text in my opinion. Very close to Englands collective bone perhaps.
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jonesy
from Lisboa (Portugal) on 2002-05-09 11:48 [#00212074]
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I like Orwell but have only read his non-fiction (apart from Animal Farm). The Road to Wigan Pier, Down and Out... and Homage to Catalonia are class.
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Ceri JC
from Jefferson City (United States) on 2002-05-09 11:52 [#00212077]
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Not trying to have a go, but as a communist what do you make of animal farm?
I remember a TV program on communism where this communist was singing one of the songs from animal farm to some real animals. I thought, "You idiot, did you not get the point of animal farm AT ALL?"
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Meho Krljic
from Beograd (Yugoslavia) on 2002-05-09 11:58 [#00212086]
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What? You haven't read 1984? Mate, give it a try. Orwell was a socialist but Animal Farm and 1984 are among the best critiques of socialism I have read.
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jonesy
from Lisboa (Portugal) on 2002-05-09 11:59 [#00212087]
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Here lies the distinction:
I'm a Trotskyist NOT a Stalinist. To me the Soviet Union bared no relation to what I'd call socialism. It was a totalitarian regime run by a beauracracy (I still can't spell that word). Trotskyists see, or saw, it as a 'state capitalist' system where, instead of private companies, a state elite controlled the surplus.
To me the Revolution of 1917 was a worker's revolution but due to an attack by 16 (or there abouts) foreign armies and the degeneration of the movement democracy fell.
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jonesy
from Lisboa (Portugal) on 2002-05-09 12:00 [#00212089]
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Orwell was a libertarian socialist. What he hated was Stalinist communism, not true socialism.
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Meho Krljic
from Beograd (Yugoslavia) on 2002-05-09 12:08 [#00212098]
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Jonesy: right. Thanx for the info that'll hopefully teach these people that there's more to socialism than they thought... BTW, the correct spelling: bureaucracy.
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jonesy
from Lisboa (Portugal) on 2002-05-09 12:13 [#00212103]
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Cheers. My spelling is pretty good but I always forget how to spell that word. I did sociology at uni so I've no excuse; I've used it enough times.
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Meho Krljic
from Beograd (Yugoslavia) on 2002-05-09 12:19 [#00212111]
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Just use your spellchecker, that's how I got it right, mate.
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Taxidermist
from Black Grass on 2002-05-09 12:56 [#00212167]
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Hunter S Thompson... Definately 'Catch22' or 'Something Happened' by Joseph Heller Kurt Vonegut is good fun Catcher in the Rye was good Illuminatus! Trillogy by Robert Anton Willson and Rober Shea
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Netlon Sentinel
from eDe (Netherlands, The) on 2002-05-09 12:58 [#00212168]
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my parents got me use of weapons by iain m. banks today. it's supposed to be one of his finest sf novels. well, i love all his other stuuf, you can't really go wrong with iain banks
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jonesy
from Lisboa (Portugal) on 2002-05-09 13:01 [#00212171]
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I read Use of Weapons and it was well boring. Its Sci-Fi so not my bag really. He's not that good IMHO. Complicity, the Wasp Factory and the Crow Road were good but all the other I've read were lame.
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Quernstone
from Padova (Italy) on 2002-05-09 13:04 [#00212173]
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Sci fi ain't my bag either. I used to kind of like it but then just figured when I read I want to expand my mind with more meaningful stuff. I leave the realm of fantasy to my head and film, I know it is lazy but hey....I'm lazy.
Has anyone (canadian) read Barney's Version?
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Netlon Sentinel
from eDe (Netherlands, The) on 2002-05-09 13:04 [#00212174]
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well! you're the first person i encountered that doesn't like iain banks!
you did read a lot of them, then? have you read whit? it's really good fun, dude. and no sci-fi :)
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jonesy
from Lisboa (Portugal) on 2002-05-09 13:07 [#00212175]
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I read Walking on Glass - awful, tedious. Also Espedair Street - crap. I gave up after them so I've not read Whit. I have copies of Song of Stone and the one about the cellist but haven't touched them.
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Netlon Sentinel
from eDe (Netherlands, The) on 2002-05-09 13:09 [#00212176]
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might as well send them to me then :)
anyway i haven't read the ones you mention in your last post, so maybe yer right.
feersum endjinn (sf) is also great but you have to have a lot of imagination to grasp it. difficult to read, at times.
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marlowe
from Antarctica on 2002-05-09 14:20 [#00212242]
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i think iain banks is crap too -- the wasp factory was bearable, espedair street sophoric.
i neglected in my original list, to include h p lovecraft! :( may nyarlethotep strike me down!
the book of 5 rings is good - i would hope that Ceri had read it
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marlowe
from Antarctica on 2002-05-09 14:22 [#00212243]
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*sophoriphic, soporiphic....hell, sleep-causing!
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Ceri JC
from Jefferson City (United States) on 2002-05-09 14:50 [#00212268]
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Yeah, may Shub Nigguruth bind your soul.
HP Lovecraft is excellent. I was reading it when I was ill before and I was half dreaming/hallucinating characters from it were in my house. I kept on seeing "Brown Jenkins" if you've read that story.
They're making a surivival horror game based on the role playing game based on lovecraft's work. It looks very good, you can see the onset of madness affect your character, you see flames and moving shadows etc.
What's the book of 5 rings? Who's it by?
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marlowe
from Antarctica on 2002-05-09 14:59 [#00212277]
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the book of 5 rings is an ancient samurai text -- just a slim volume, overpriced for westerners naturally -- check out your local bookstore :)
i read all the h p lovecraft omnibuses in november/december 2000 -- great atmospheres as i was living in a small attic room at the time
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B3n
from Manchester (United Kingdom) on 2002-05-09 15:38 [#00212353]
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I used to watch The Crow Road by Banks on tv, I enjoyed it.
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Taxidermist
from Black Grass on 2002-05-09 15:50 [#00212389]
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I have a freaky lovecraft story.
But I am not going to tell it, cause its long.
But yeah... it is majik. Make no mistake.
I am kinda out of my lovecraft stage now... but it was good for the time.
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marlowe
from Antarctica on 2002-05-09 16:01 [#00212420]
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yeah it's a shame i read all his stuff that i could (i know there are a coupla short stories i haven't read) -- i pine for it sometimes when i am in a Lovecraftian mood - i read a stephen king attempt at a "necronomicon" story -- his London dialogue was so cliched it wasn't even funny. it's in that big book of his..."dreamscapes" or something.
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Ceri JC
from Jefferson City (United States) on 2002-05-09 16:04 [#00212427]
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Did you play Quake 1? There were lots of direct references to lovecraft in it and there was an addon that was set in a town mentioned in one of the short stories...
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j bennion
from Leicester (United Kingdom) on 2002-05-09 16:06 [#00212429]
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Perfume by patrick suskund lord of the rings (of course) Tolkin Ghostwritten by Dave mitchel
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marlowe
from Antarctica on 2002-05-09 18:57 [#00212664]
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no i have never been into computer games that much i'm afraid to say! altho my geeky friends played it! :)
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DirtyPriest
from Copenhagen (Denmark) on 2002-05-09 19:55 [#00212729]
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Cthulu??
=)
Well, i´m more of a comic man myself, but did read lord of the flies and enjoyed it!!!
American psycho is very entertaining.
and Salman rushdie is not a boring writer, he is a genius! =)
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marlowe
from Antarctica on 2002-05-09 20:14 [#00212742]
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salman rushdie, i feel, is too pretentious and his scribblings are contrived.
i couldn't finish american psycho - i enjoyed it at first, but eventually it was so samey that i simply could not continue it... same thing happened with wilde's portrait of dorian gray -- really enjoying it and then WHAM! pages and pages of waffle about, i can't remember, furniture and shit like that -- totally lost interest at that point, which was a damn shame.
i am a big fan of P G Wodehouse, which i understand is unfashionable -- but his books are fantastic, simply wonderful.
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corn_mouth
from santiago (Chile) on 2002-05-09 20:16 [#00212743]
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"NAKED LUNCH" by William Burroughs.
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Ceri JC
from Jefferson City (United States) on 2002-05-09 20:18 [#00212744]
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Yeah, Wodehouse is the man. I got into him when my girlfriends mother bought me "Very Good Jeeves".
What do you think of the TV adaptions?
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jonesy
from Lisboa (Portugal) on 2002-05-10 09:21 [#00213522]
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Is Ghostwritten set in Japan? I think someone recommended this to me.
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IronLung
from the 91fwy in soCAL (United States) on 2002-05-10 09:56 [#00213566]
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I am about to start " Episode 2: Attack of the clones"....
Hopefully there will be different stuff from the movie....There was one cool chapter in EP 1 book that was not in the movie...that kinda shit I DIG...=)
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Meho Krljic
from Beograd (Yugoslavia) on 2002-05-10 09:57 [#00213568]
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Hey ironlung, whither thou? I'm not seeing you much these days.
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IronLung
from the 91fwy in soCAL (United States) on 2002-05-10 09:58 [#00213571]
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I actually had a schedual change at work for the "tech support" job I am 5-1pm now and under the watch of a supervisor...Kinda sucks, but I can still log in at my second job in the afternoons and here from home...=)....Good to hear and see ya:)
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Meho Krljic
from Beograd (Yugoslavia) on 2002-05-10 10:14 [#00213584]
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Kisses. You'll at least get some night's sleep...
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marlowe
from Antarctica on 2002-05-10 10:49 [#00213613]
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ceri, this is getting creepy! you seem to have read everything i have read!!:) i never saw the fry&laurie adaptations -- were they any good?
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pantalaimon
from Winterfell (United Kingdom) on 2002-05-10 17:47 [#00214215]
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i cant believe none of you have mentioned Neil Gaiman... i thought u lot would be into his stuff
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marlowe
from Antarctica on 2002-05-10 18:27 [#00214254]
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well ain't that the domain of the graphic novel? people are probably not thinking of graphic novels --
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pantalaimon
from Winterfell (United Kingdom) on 2002-05-10 18:29 [#00214255]
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nope, he's dont books as well
the most famous and probably best being "American Gods"
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Netlon Sentinel
from eDe (Netherlands, The) on 2002-05-10 19:52 [#00214341]
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hmmm i read some lovecraft short stories years ago.... the style is so slow.... but ok, i guess. not very scary considering it's labelled horror, though :)
i saw naked lunch the film a few years back, weird stuff
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recycle
from Where is Phobiazero (Lincoln) (United States) on 2002-05-10 19:53 [#00214343]
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i stil kant reed boks
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marlowe
from Antarctica on 2002-05-10 19:56 [#00214348]
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you goddam scumsucker!! "style is so slow"...."not very scary"....JESUS!! so if there ain't a dozen goddam killings in the first page it's a lame horror??? lovecraft stories are beautifully written, with wonderful atmospheres and unwinding plots!! jeepers! we'd be doomed if all readers were you!!
*eats rope*
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B3n
from Manchester (United Kingdom) on 2002-05-10 20:00 [#00214350]
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*keeps on feeding marlowe rope*
say marlowe, you've got a lovely family
ps-you wife is hot!"!!!
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recycle
from Where is Phobiazero (Lincoln) (United States) on 2002-05-10 20:01 [#00214354]
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marlowe--cant get hot chics like that we all know that :0)
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Netlon Sentinel
from eDe (Netherlands, The) on 2002-05-10 20:02 [#00214357]
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lol! hah that was funny
well i don't understand why ye doesn't like iain banks, so there!
heh, honestly, horror doesn't really interest me unless it's the psychological stuff. the only horror film that really scared me is in the mouth of madness... which is, granted, very lovecraft-y :)
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