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offline Bob Mcbob on 2002-05-09 11:18 [#00212030]
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i love the whole hicthikers' guide series. i also have the
final, 'mostly harmles' :D
*reccomended*


 

offline Meho Krljic from Beograd (Yugoslavia) on 2002-05-09 11:24 [#00212035]
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Yeah, me too, have you read "Dirk Gently's holistic
detective agency" and "Long Dark Teatime of the soul" Just
finnished the latter some days ago. Not as good as his
previous books but still nice to read Adams. Pity he died,
he still probably had some good books in his head although
he wasn't that prolific...


 

offline Ceri JC from Jefferson City (United States) on 2002-05-09 11:26 [#00212041]
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Dirk Gently's holistic
detective agency is very good. I think I prefer it to the
hitchhikers guide to the galaxy- probably because it's about
religion and technology, 2 of my favourite things :)


 

offline Meho Krljic from Beograd (Yugoslavia) on 2002-05-09 11:31 [#00212050]
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I agree.


 

offline Ceri JC from Jefferson City (United States) on 2002-05-09 11:32 [#00212053]
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I read the bible quite often too. But I don't think we
should kill deviants :)


 

offline Quernstone from Padova (Italy) on 2002-05-09 11:33 [#00212058]
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'Comming up for air' by Orwell. Very underrated text in my
opinion. Very close to Englands collective bone perhaps.


 

offline jonesy from Lisboa (Portugal) on 2002-05-09 11:48 [#00212074]
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I like Orwell but have only read his non-fiction (apart from
Animal Farm). The Road to Wigan Pier, Down and Out... and
Homage to Catalonia are class.


 

offline Ceri JC from Jefferson City (United States) on 2002-05-09 11:52 [#00212077]
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Not trying to have a go, but as a communist what do you make
of animal farm?

I remember a TV program on communism where this communist
was singing one of the songs from animal farm to some real
animals. I thought, "You idiot, did you not get the point of
animal farm AT ALL?"


 

offline Meho Krljic from Beograd (Yugoslavia) on 2002-05-09 11:58 [#00212086]
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What? You haven't read 1984? Mate, give it a try. Orwell was
a socialist but Animal Farm and 1984 are among the best
critiques of socialism I have read.


 

offline jonesy from Lisboa (Portugal) on 2002-05-09 11:59 [#00212087]
Points: 6650 Status: Lurker



Here lies the distinction:

I'm a Trotskyist NOT a Stalinist. To me the Soviet Union
bared no relation to what I'd call socialism. It was a
totalitarian regime run by a beauracracy (I still can't
spell that word). Trotskyists see, or saw, it as a 'state
capitalist' system where, instead of private companies, a
state elite controlled the surplus.

To me the Revolution of 1917 was a worker's revolution but
due to an attack by 16 (or there abouts) foreign armies and
the degeneration of the movement democracy fell.


 

offline jonesy from Lisboa (Portugal) on 2002-05-09 12:00 [#00212089]
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Orwell was a libertarian socialist. What he hated was
Stalinist communism, not true socialism.


 

offline Meho Krljic from Beograd (Yugoslavia) on 2002-05-09 12:08 [#00212098]
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Jonesy: right. Thanx for the info that'll hopefully teach
these people that there's more to socialism than they
thought... BTW, the correct spelling: bureaucracy.


 

offline jonesy from Lisboa (Portugal) on 2002-05-09 12:13 [#00212103]
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Cheers. My spelling is pretty good but I always forget how
to spell that word. I did sociology at uni so I've no
excuse; I've used it enough times.


 

offline Meho Krljic from Beograd (Yugoslavia) on 2002-05-09 12:19 [#00212111]
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Just use your spellchecker, that's how I got it right, mate.


 

offline Taxidermist from Black Grass on 2002-05-09 12:56 [#00212167]
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Hunter S Thompson... Definately
'Catch22' or 'Something Happened' by Joseph Heller
Kurt Vonegut is good fun
Catcher in the Rye was good
Illuminatus! Trillogy by Robert Anton Willson and Rober
Shea



 

offline Netlon Sentinel from eDe (Netherlands, The) on 2002-05-09 12:58 [#00212168]
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my parents got me use of weapons by iain m. banks today.
it's supposed to be one of his finest sf novels. well, i
love all his other stuuf, you can't really go wrong with
iain banks


 

offline jonesy from Lisboa (Portugal) on 2002-05-09 13:01 [#00212171]
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I read Use of Weapons and it was well boring. Its Sci-Fi so
not my bag really. He's not that good IMHO. Complicity, the
Wasp Factory and the Crow Road were good but all the other
I've read were lame.


 

offline Quernstone from Padova (Italy) on 2002-05-09 13:04 [#00212173]
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Sci fi ain't my bag either. I used to kind of like it but
then just figured when I read I want to expand my mind with
more meaningful stuff. I leave the realm of fantasy to my
head and film, I know it is lazy but hey....I'm lazy.
Has anyone (canadian) read Barney's Version?


 

offline Netlon Sentinel from eDe (Netherlands, The) on 2002-05-09 13:04 [#00212174]
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well! you're the first person i encountered that doesn't
like iain banks!

you did read a lot of them, then? have you read whit? it's
really good fun, dude. and no sci-fi :)


 

offline jonesy from Lisboa (Portugal) on 2002-05-09 13:07 [#00212175]
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I read Walking on Glass - awful, tedious. Also Espedair
Street - crap. I gave up after them so I've not read Whit. I
have copies of Song of Stone and the one about the cellist
but haven't touched them.


 

offline Netlon Sentinel from eDe (Netherlands, The) on 2002-05-09 13:09 [#00212176]
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might as well send them to me then :)

anyway i haven't read the ones you mention in your last
post, so maybe yer right.

feersum endjinn (sf) is also great but you have to have a
lot of imagination to grasp it. difficult to read, at times.


 

offline marlowe from Antarctica on 2002-05-09 14:20 [#00212242]
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i think iain banks is crap too -- the wasp factory was
bearable, espedair street sophoric.

i neglected in my original list, to include h p lovecraft!
:( may nyarlethotep strike me down!

the book of 5 rings is good - i would hope that Ceri had
read it


 

offline marlowe from Antarctica on 2002-05-09 14:22 [#00212243]
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*sophoriphic, soporiphic....hell, sleep-causing!


 

offline Ceri JC from Jefferson City (United States) on 2002-05-09 14:50 [#00212268]
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Yeah, may Shub Nigguruth bind your soul.

HP Lovecraft is excellent. I was reading it when I was ill
before and I was half dreaming/hallucinating characters from
it were in my house. I kept on seeing "Brown Jenkins" if
you've read that story.

They're making a surivival horror game based on the role
playing game based on lovecraft's work. It looks very good,
you can see the onset of madness affect your character, you
see flames and moving shadows etc.

What's the book of 5 rings? Who's it by?


 

offline marlowe from Antarctica on 2002-05-09 14:59 [#00212277]
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the book of 5 rings is an ancient samurai text -- just a
slim volume, overpriced for westerners naturally -- check
out your local bookstore :)

i read all the h p lovecraft omnibuses in november/december
2000 -- great atmospheres as i was living in a small attic
room at the time


 

offline B3n from Manchester (United Kingdom) on 2002-05-09 15:38 [#00212353]
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I used to watch The Crow Road by Banks on tv, I enjoyed it.


 

offline Taxidermist from Black Grass on 2002-05-09 15:50 [#00212389]
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I have a freaky lovecraft story.

But I am not going to tell it, cause its long.

But yeah... it is majik. Make no mistake.

I am kinda out of my lovecraft stage now... but it was good
for the time.


 

offline marlowe from Antarctica on 2002-05-09 16:01 [#00212420]
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yeah it's a shame i read all his stuff that i could (i know
there are a coupla short stories i haven't read) -- i pine
for it sometimes when i am in a Lovecraftian mood - i read a
stephen king attempt at a "necronomicon" story -- his London
dialogue was so cliched it wasn't even funny. it's in that
big book of his..."dreamscapes" or something.


 

offline Ceri JC from Jefferson City (United States) on 2002-05-09 16:04 [#00212427]
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Did you play Quake 1? There were lots of direct references
to lovecraft in it and there was an addon that was set in a
town mentioned in one of the short stories...


 

offline j bennion from Leicester (United Kingdom) on 2002-05-09 16:06 [#00212429]
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Perfume by patrick suskund
lord of the rings (of course) Tolkin
Ghostwritten by Dave mitchel


 

offline marlowe from Antarctica on 2002-05-09 18:57 [#00212664]
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no i have never been into computer games that much i'm
afraid to say! altho my geeky friends played it! :)


 

offline DirtyPriest from Copenhagen (Denmark) on 2002-05-09 19:55 [#00212729]
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Cthulu??

=)

Well, i´m more of a comic man myself, but did read lord of
the flies and enjoyed it!!!

American psycho is very entertaining.

and Salman rushdie is not a boring writer, he is a genius!
=)


 

offline marlowe from Antarctica on 2002-05-09 20:14 [#00212742]
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salman rushdie, i feel, is too pretentious and his
scribblings are contrived.

i couldn't finish american psycho - i enjoyed it at first,
but eventually it was so samey that i simply could not
continue it... same thing happened with wilde's portrait of
dorian gray -- really enjoying it and then WHAM! pages and
pages of waffle about, i can't remember, furniture and shit
like that -- totally lost interest at that point, which was
a damn shame.

i am a big fan of P G Wodehouse, which i understand is
unfashionable -- but his books are fantastic, simply
wonderful.


 

offline corn_mouth from santiago (Chile) on 2002-05-09 20:16 [#00212743]
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"NAKED LUNCH" by William Burroughs.



 

offline Ceri JC from Jefferson City (United States) on 2002-05-09 20:18 [#00212744]
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Yeah, Wodehouse is the man. I got into him when my
girlfriends mother bought me "Very Good Jeeves".

What do you think of the TV adaptions?


 

offline jonesy from Lisboa (Portugal) on 2002-05-10 09:21 [#00213522]
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Is Ghostwritten set in Japan? I think someone recommended
this to me.


 

offline IronLung from the 91fwy in soCAL (United States) on 2002-05-10 09:56 [#00213566]
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I am about to start " Episode 2: Attack of the clones"....

Hopefully there will be different stuff from the
movie....There was one cool chapter in EP 1 book that was
not in the movie...that kinda shit I DIG...=)


 

offline Meho Krljic from Beograd (Yugoslavia) on 2002-05-10 09:57 [#00213568]
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Hey ironlung, whither thou? I'm not seeing you much these
days.


 

offline IronLung from the 91fwy in soCAL (United States) on 2002-05-10 09:58 [#00213571]
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I actually had a schedual change at work for the "tech
support" job I am 5-1pm now and under the watch of a
supervisor...Kinda sucks, but I can still log in at my
second job in the afternoons and here from home...=)....Good
to hear and see ya:)


 

offline Meho Krljic from Beograd (Yugoslavia) on 2002-05-10 10:14 [#00213584]
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Kisses. You'll at least get some night's sleep...


 

offline marlowe from Antarctica on 2002-05-10 10:49 [#00213613]
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ceri, this is getting creepy! you seem to have read
everything i have read!!:) i never saw the fry&laurie
adaptations -- were they any good?


 

offline pantalaimon from Winterfell (United Kingdom) on 2002-05-10 17:47 [#00214215]
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i cant believe none of you have mentioned Neil Gaiman... i
thought u lot would be into his stuff


 

offline marlowe from Antarctica on 2002-05-10 18:27 [#00214254]
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well ain't that the domain of the graphic novel? people are
probably not thinking of graphic novels --


 

offline pantalaimon from Winterfell (United Kingdom) on 2002-05-10 18:29 [#00214255]
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nope, he's dont books as well

the most famous and probably best being "American Gods"


 

offline Netlon Sentinel from eDe (Netherlands, The) on 2002-05-10 19:52 [#00214341]
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hmmm i read some lovecraft short stories years ago.... the
style is so slow.... but ok, i guess. not very scary
considering it's labelled horror, though :)

i saw naked lunch the film a few years back, weird stuff


 

offline recycle from Where is Phobiazero (Lincoln) (United States) on 2002-05-10 19:53 [#00214343]
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i stil kant reed boks


 

offline marlowe from Antarctica on 2002-05-10 19:56 [#00214348]
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you goddam scumsucker!! "style is so slow"...."not very
scary"....JESUS!! so if there ain't a dozen goddam killings
in the first page it's a lame horror??? lovecraft stories
are beautifully written, with wonderful atmospheres and
unwinding plots!! jeepers! we'd be doomed if all readers
were you!!

*eats rope*


 

offline B3n from Manchester (United Kingdom) on 2002-05-10 20:00 [#00214350]
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*keeps on feeding marlowe rope*

say marlowe, you've got a lovely family

ps-you wife is hot!"!!!


 

offline recycle from Where is Phobiazero (Lincoln) (United States) on 2002-05-10 20:01 [#00214354]
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marlowe--cant get hot chics like that we all know that :0)


 

offline Netlon Sentinel from eDe (Netherlands, The) on 2002-05-10 20:02 [#00214357]
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lol! hah that was funny

well i don't understand why ye doesn't like iain banks, so
there!

heh, honestly, horror doesn't really interest me unless it's
the psychological stuff. the only horror film that really
scared me is in the mouth of madness... which is, granted,
very lovecraft-y :)


 


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