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hm xp suxx... i prefer mac os x |
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I'm building an Audio pc in a few weeks with Win 2000 Pro |
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Your computer Ceri, though needs formatting though, especially if you can't even install Office 2000. C'mon sort yourself out! As to Windows 98 and stability - yeah right!!!! |
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To say that you miss the stability of Windows 98 when you are running XP is a nonsense. There is absolutely no comparison between the 'unstability' of the Windows 95/98 family to that of those running/built on NT technology. ....that is of course, unless you have a dodgy computer/badly installed drivers for hardware/ and what I call 'nick-nak' or 'noddy' software that written badly that support the current OS!! ;) |
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Jedi Chris: my jedi mouse is missing in your pic. |
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I know....I was limited to the amount of pics that I could use in my animated gif. SO I just grabbed a handful, so no offense! (after all, I draw quite a few!!) :) |
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That just stole Unix and put a nice GUI on it! I like Definate Linux, but I miss my windows apz :( |
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i saw that mouse in the pic im sure, it must have bin taked out |
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You maybe right! |
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I've used every Windows since the almost mythical ver 1.0 on a newly minted IBM PC AT (with a 5meg HD...wow!!!)...now that was a dog & a half...altho that machine was like a porsche compared to the shit old CPM machines I initiailly worked on... And...in my experience, XP is the best by far; Win2000 is pretty close & I still trust my servers with it, but XP has so many great features that've made my laptop so much nicer to use... Haven't had a crash yet & this machine is in use constantly with some pretty odd software at times....no other OS has been able to keep my internet connection up for 8 days without a single glitch before; XP has... And I'm no MS zealot either...maybe it's because it's a laptop & so isn't such a mixnmatch machine hardware-wise like a lot of PCs....most XP problems I've heard of from people are generally due to obscure or out of date hardware... And Junktion...you can change the paging size to something sensible; minds set to 192Mb & I've 256MB of RAM and that works fine... |
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I agree with everything you've said Jand. I remember Windows 2, but have seen Windows 1 in books. |
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when i got my new computer we had windows 98 and it worked good but the computer was fucking up so we took it back in and they fixed it and my mom thought it would be good to put in millenium edition and that fucking blew all the time the computer was fucking up , one time it took me half an hour just to turn off the fucking thing |
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"Windows XP cannot be less stable than Windows 2000, as the technology was built on that platform upwards..." Ha ha! This is funniest thing I've read all week. New release = new bugs. It's as simple as that, it is a law of software development. |
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Do you use Windows 2000 and Windows XP all the time? |
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I've never used Windows at all. My wife has Windows 2000 on her laptop and that seems to work fine. But you don't need to use a particular piece of software to realize that newer versions with new features have more bugs. That applies to any software. Windows XP was written in about 45 million lines of code. There have been millions of lines of code added since the previous version of Windows. It makes no sense at all to claim that Windows XP is more stable because it was built on Windows 2000. |
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XP sux |
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I use the two on a daily basis both at work and at home....and I know how good both products are. I have also used all the other versions of Windows as well, and each one has improved more and more. There are many people who preffered to stay running Windows 98SE than upgrade to Windows ME, but that was only because gradually stepping up into ME was a little bit closer to NT, and that some of there legacy software wouldn't work. Stability as far as I am concerned has got better and better. *waves his MS flag!!* |
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You're just a Microsoft sheep bleating the company line. I hope others can see that too. |
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You are right, and I enjoy their products and I am not afraid to say so! |
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There are no laws without exception. The only constant is change. |
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They must have changed their policy Cygnus, I can only run test mode until I but it. |
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Sheep?... Like my own, Chris's opinion is based on experience; I'm certainly no MS flag waver but I do know a lot about software & operating systems and what we've said about Windows, all versions, isn't some marketing speak... Believe me, if XP was shite, I'd be the first to shout it from the rooftops... |
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M IE was so muc better than nutscrape |
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I work in support and have to deal with this microsoft crap all the time.. I have to say, ME is the worst piece of shit from redmond ever. I hate having to configure a ME machine as every little thing you do requires a reboot. so the tiniest little reconfigure takes you about 10 minutes. christ! xp is the best os from microsoft yet. this isn't saying a lot though, since the rest of them is pure crap. and since microsoft have a lucrative deal with the hardware producers, it requires lots of hardware. i've got 256mb and it's completely useless at playing most modern games. you have to have at least 384mb to run games like wolfenstein smoothly. running programs like reason is also a bitch.. it used to start in 3 seconds on my 98 installation, now it takes almost a minute. but it's very stable, haven't bluescreened me yet and the network code is good too. |
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I am not saying Windows XP is shite. I'm calling Jedi Chris on his statement about its stability. I have been a software engineer on large projects and what I've said is well accepted in the field. |
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Bah, this discussion is getting too close to the crap that I have to deal with every day at work, so I'm bowing out to more important discussion about music... |
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I've been a software developer professionaly for over 18yrs.... so it's not as if I don't know what I'm talking about... Chris is right - XP is more stable than previous releases...The NT Kernal is a very well written & extremely stable bit of mature software: with a stable core (kernal) like this, any additional frills, features etc, have little effect on stability...that kernal will run & run & run...if one app falls over then it's not a problem, the OS is still there and up n running... I could argue all night about as it's something I'm pretty knowledgable about...I won't tho, as it's Friday, I'm stoned & my girl is due home any minute... All I can really suggest is that you try and move beyond labelling everything MS does as below par....because that's simply not true. & doing so makes you sound like a kneejerk Slashdot troll... (Sorry for sounding so serious...) |
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Dude, maybe it's because you're stoned, but you're putting words in my mouth. Point out where I said that something Microsoft does is below par. I'm making general statements about software development. So you had to whip out your 18 years of experience. Well you've got me. I only have 5 years of experience as a software engineer, 5 years as a director of IT at a Fortune 500 company, and I have been running my own company for 2 years. My company sells IT solutions to people and businesses. I sell Microsoft/Sun/Linux/BSDI/FreeBSD/whatever to them based on the best solution to what they need. Calling me a slashdot troll is really the lowest form of insult. Thanks for that. |
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jand, the nt kernel is stable and things, but it's not very resource efficient. and ms even originally bought it from another company.. haha :) |
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urb...give me an example...resource hungry?...Are we talking Disk Space/Memory here?..I really don't find that at all; I run several servers with 99.9% uptime over the last 4 years, the lowest spec being a NT4 - Dual Processor,64MB RAM, 10Gig drive which runs a 50,000page intranet & is used by ~250 a day...it's a shit little machine but NT still runs & runs very well...perhaps I've been lucky and I've got an anorexic version without the resource hunger...)... I'm not gonna bother listing all the various machines/specs/OS's etc I look after...but needless to say, out of all of them, NT wins hand down (even over HP's Unix...a huge costly server we use for Oracle)... NT wasn't bought from another company - MS developed it in-house with the Crator of VMS Dave Cutler as the chief designer/architect.... Maybe you are getting confused with DOS which was bought in from a little Seattle company...(I've spoken with the guy who wrote this original version of DOS...He's a very cool guy; will try and dig out some emails as he has some very revealing things to say...)... |
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What are you guys all running on your systems if its not Win 2000 or XP? |
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Inverted Whale.... "You're just a Microsoft sheep bleating the company line. I hope others can see that too.".... I think that was the line that sounds as if you don't think a great deal of MS; so no, I wasn't putting words in your mouth... And the new features = new bugs is true to a certain extent....but we were talking about XP having the NT Kernal; that hasn't changed at all, it's only a few sub-systems outside of the kernal that contain all these new features & as long as the kernal is working 100% as designed then the OS will continue to run/be stable...hence chris's comment about stability as it has the 2000 Kernal... It's not marketing speak...it's true... Fuck me, I'm sorry!!!..I sound like I care too much about all this but I do hate to see opnions based on hearsay rather than actual experience.... P.S. Sorry about the SlashDot Troll comment...it was uncalled for... |
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You definately deserve a second apology for that Slashdot comment.... I'm gonna build an extra huge reefer and smoke it to atone for that below the belt insult..;).. |
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"the tiniest little reconfigure takes you about 10 minutes".....you got big big problems if your machine is taking this long. Microsoft Windows ME was designed for the Home anyway, so any business that knew its stuff would not of installed it anyway. Very much in the same way as using XP Home Edition - we just wouldn't do it. I work for a local authority, and stability is of paramount consideration. In our main building we even went from Windows 95 straight to NT4 Workstation. We totally skipped Windows 98 alltogether. All of our servers are NT4 and Win 2000 Adv.Server - no problems at all. |
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jand, I pretty much feel the same way about the penguinistas and Apple sheep as I do about the Microsoft sheep. I think this attitude annoys my co-workers, because most have them have a favorite OS and have taken one side or another. I know some operating systems inside and out, but I still think they are too difficult to use and fragile. On the other hand, I make $ from this fact - so whaddaya do ... Jedi Chris, you were asking what we run. My main machine is a Sun Workstation running Solaris. My firewall/router is a Sun running NetBSD. I have a PC for work purposes that boots W2K/SuSE Linux/FreeBSD.However, I am posting this from my backyard with my wife's W2K laptop! |
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I've been involved in tech support for 11 years and I have upgraded through the various 'flavours' of Windows over the years, and have used different types of hardware and software....and have never had bad experiences with my PC at home, so something must be right. So can anyone tell me why I haven't had problems? Maybe the people who are having problems with bugs etc.etc. are using sub-standard hardware etc.etc. from 'unknown' suppliers. I must admit I have allways stuck to recognised suppliers for all of my hardware. Creative Labs for Soundcards, Intel for mainboards and lan adapters, ATI and 3DFX (I know they dont exist anymore) for graphics. And yes I have a Microsoft Mouse and ergonomic keyboard. I've seen the pitfalls in work with Windows, I've seen the problems people get into with it......and in my line of work a lot of the problems that most people get involved in, are through lack of experience! (And I'm not having a go at anyone here......before I'm slated!!) :) |
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Is it sunny in your backyard? |
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hey jand, no problem, apology accepted. people (including me) tend to get riled up about computers, which is pretty stupid in the great scheme of things ... |
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Many of the problems I see with Windows 95 and 98 are usually to do with some crappy bit of software or cheap piece of hardware that the user has bought for next to nothing $$. |
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Yes, it's very pleasant. Sunny and about 25 C. It's difficult to find a spot shady enough to see the laptop screen. It's a tough life! |
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What laptop you got? I have a laptop as well as this PC, mine is a Sony VAIO |
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I have a Compaq Presario. VAIOs are nice! A friend has one he uses for DV and it is pretty impressive. |
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urb, I do feel for ya....I worked in support for several yrs - on-site, Helpdesk, hotline etc & know how painful it is have to sit there whilst the person on the other end of the phone has to do a reboot (or 2)....theres nothing worse... The only reason it has to do this is due to the way Windows was written to work on reasoably low-spec machines and including the code to allow on-the-fly reconfiguration would have made that impossible....it's a design decision & I think they made right choice, far better to have to reboot once in a while when your machine is being configured than to bog resources down with facilities only .05% of users care about... I know this probably doesn't make you feel any better about having to reboot ME whenever you make a config change but I hope it shows that it doesn't just do it without any real reason.... (I should'vve warned you lot not to mention Operating System design....I really can't help myself once I get started...I could Geek for England in the Nerdolympics....;)...) |
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My VAIO has a great screen on it....nice, clear and very bright! |
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Lets not argue about what operating systems we like or dislike - its the weekend!!!!! |
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Asche XL (6:32:50 PM): we're getting the entire house caprted Asche XL (6:33:06 PM): and i managed to get the computer hooked up in the closet Asche XL (6:33:13 PM): so im sittig here on the floor ina closet yup, that's what im doing......right now anyway... |
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I'm testing the limits of how much DXM can you take before your girl notices.... and I'm doing pretty well...;) NP: Cap.IV ... mmmmmmmm |
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Cygnus, do you have the orignal setup file for FireBruner? If so maybe I could get it from you by some means *cute puppy dog eyes* |
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jand, please.. I don't confuse dos with nt :) ok, so they didn't exactly buy it, but they bought all of the dec vms people. and 'good design decision'? that's pure crap, take any nice os, like qnx, and you can physically install hardware, write drivers for hardware, enjoy hardware, all without rebooting/powering down, all on low-low-spec pc hardware. |
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Big business use the Microsoft operating systems, because that what the majority use, and its seen as a 'standard' where I work. . . anything else is deemed 'non-standard'. Yes, not having to power down and the ability to hot-swap hardware is nice, but not essential to the average 'joe bloggs' end user, or to the non-power user. In today's world people go with the flow...and whether we like it or not Microsoft is the forerunner... Jand I agree with you. |
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