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it's questionable whether there is such a thing as an individual. every thought in your head, the basis from which you act on everything, was put in there from birth. you have been totally conditioned by your environment. even your personality is probably genetic to some extent. if every person you ever met told you the sky was purple you'd think it was purple and wouldn't know any different. you have to rely on others completely to function in this society. you only have to look at ferral children to see what happens when there is no human interferement. they are utterly incapable of functioning in society and have no individuality whatsoever other than what you impose on them. its not up to ug to prove anything and neither did he have any interest in doing so. there's nothing to prove anyway and nothing to understand. if you want to get nearer to truth then just strip all the shit away and accept the facts as they are. |
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good, you figured it out for yourself |
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pulseclock that is, ampi max hasn't the intellect unfortunately |
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i think everybody's already aware of this stuff, doesn't matter how smart you are. also i've always known that personality is idiotic as well as alot of other shit. i feel more self-confident and like less of a nitwit now barcode man. thanks for the communicative interchange of data on this messageboard, i will now go eat and masturbate. |
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if everybody was aware there would be no war, no violence, no conflict, no religion. the utter futility of it would be completely evident. so no, unfortunately very few are aware, and very few are interested in finding out either. despite possessing this consciousness, humans are one of the most stupid species in the animal kingdom. |
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ok barcode man. i am going to watch ug vids on youtube now. |
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oh and ug says in this vid that its foolish to imitate, and that there is no other animal body like yours or mine or anyone elses on the earth but our own, we are all in our own ways divided from everyone else but we all share the human construct. |
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haha excuse me? elaborate further or it'll just seem like sour babblings. and shit pulseclock you let him talk to you like that? not cool dude |
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i really dont care what you have to say as it's never anything interesting to me. do what you want and think what you want. your precious ego is all you ever think about. |
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this is what i mean by sour. you seem sour are you ok hun? for someone so into this kind of talk you really dont carry yourself well. your ego needs nursing and i imagine you'll be busy with that for a while so no need to reply for now. |
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haha! barcode talks shit then barcode tries to talk an argument i hope you ger cancer |
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"if every person you ever met told you the sky was purple you'd think it was purple and wouldn't know any different. " wrong |
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look, another three of those stupid species have turned up :) |
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i love watching people discuss U.G. |
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I dunno. whenever I bring these topics up all I get is abuse. It seems people are scared stiff to look at themselves and react by being aggressive and dismissuve. Their outrageous stupidity is heightened by the fact that they're incapable of discussing anything, they just grunt like pigs. Is it really so difficult or frightening to try and understand intrinsically what you are? These people, with their entrenched ignorance, are as dangerous to the human race as Hitler. My downfall is presuming they might be able to discuss it intelligbly, never mind understand it. |
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it's just that when i listen to ug talk or when you talk about this, it's more like rhetoric, not meant to be replied to, it just takes a lot of soaking in, people don't usually think along these lines. |
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Agreed. People think in black and white - I'm right you're wrong, and nearly always come to the conclusion they are right. They don't their comfortable world of illusions to be shattered. Few just open their ears and listen, without prejudice, without judgement. More of these people are required in the world. Millions more. Kids should be educated that way - not told what to think, but encouraged to think for themselves, question everything. In that respect, current schooling is a useless farce. |
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hahaa "as dangerous to the human race as Hitler" AS DANGEROUS TO THE HUMAN RACE AS HITLER! its laughable that you talk of pigs grunting when youve been so spam-headedly narrow. i mean wow your cock dropped off the moment you were challenged at all. btw youre still grunting. |
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i mean wow this reads like youtube comments and you honestly believe this stuff you talk. |
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I dunno. whenever I bring these topics up all I get is abuse. It seems people are scared stiff to look at themselves and react by being aggressive and dismissuve. Their outrageous stupidity is heightened by the fact that they're incapable of discussing anything, they just grunt like pigs. Is it really so difficult or frightening to try and understand intrinsically what you are? These people, with their entrenched ignorance, are as dangerous to the human race as Hitler. My downfall is presuming they might be able to discuss it intelligbly, never mind understand it. if the meaning contained in anyones words is put there by you, then how can you ever be made upset by someones words? that's why i like UG's dog barking analogy. when a dog barks at you, it's just making a noise - a dogs bark does not mean "I am divorcing you, taking the children and the home." the reaction to along with the meaning put in anything is totally an after-thought to the fact. if we operated from this standpoint there would be so much peace and luxury on the planet for everyone no one would be afraid of anything because they'd realize the source of fear&afraid was from within. if you call someone ignorant, it's like you're calling the sun ignorant, or food ignorant. the individual can't be separated from what sustains it, neither can the reaction be separated from the action. they are one unitary movement (as UG would say) |
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You really are quite the fanboy aren't you? You know he'd hate it. "if you call someone ignorant, it's like you're calling the sun ignorant, or food ignorant" You should elaborate on that. |
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I like you barcode. You keep your stance and seem to be a strong character. |
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bwwahhhhahahahahahahaha. first words, "Why the hell are you here again?" |
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he must have been sick of all those people coming to see him. osho would have charged them £50 a pop. |
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>You should elaborate on that. copy+paste: if you call someone ignorant, it's like you're calling the sun ignorant, or food ignorant. the individual can't be separated from what sustains it, neither can the reaction be separated from the action. they are one unitary movement (as UG would say) its like a thich nhat hanh + krishnamurti combination philosophical mega-statement! bonus XP points, level up +4 def+7 dex+9 |
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he loved it. did you ever read "the sage and the housewife" ? he loved all of those people dearly. in "last visit with UG", people said he cried. ug basically begged mahesh bhatt to fly from america to be with him. watch the byron katie talk. he's smiles and laughs plenty "we'll have a chance to talk about it out here" (in front of everyone else) |
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the byron katie talk made my skin crawl with embarrassment. she was out of her depth, and ug knew it - he humoured her |
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"You see a beautiful bitch, and you want to fuck that bitch, but morality enters the picture and you don't take action." "I'm sorry to give a crude example. BOB! Help me." aahhahahahahhahhahahahahahaaahhhah |
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barcode, You have before compared the thoughtless state to the state animals are in. You say there would be no war for instance, yet animals are violent by nature. Furthermore, you have not yet defined what a thought is, or how it functions. I would propose that wherever there is choice, there is thought, even in animals. We say animals work on instinct, but does anyone really know the deeper workings of instincts? What if they are a very basic version of our thoughts? Animals must make decisions all the time. And they are able to be conscious and experience vision, pain etc, so it's fair to deduce that they have choices. The human we have today is just a very complex version of this animal. The more we speak and learn, the more self aware we become, and the more choices we make. The more complex our world is, the more complex we become. The more we broaden our horizons, but it's still in the end the same mechanisms as a rat or a dog. This is not an illusion, it's a side effect of evolution, and one that wasn't even our choice. Nature made us this way. What you're basically proposing is to strip away all the complexities of the world until everything is very simple. You are not proposing a simplification of the mind, but of the world. Think about that. And also, do you think dogs experience more true because they don't have language? They also have very basic levels of labeling, otherwise they wouldn't survive. They can for instance associate wolves with danger, and this applies a label to the wolf that makes them not experience the wolf without thought, but rather the brain filters a meaning. |
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This thread was not complete without cx. My dog doesn't take up most of his time trying to find a meaning to his life. I think that's, in simple terms, what barcode meant. |
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And before you ask.. He told me. |
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it's questionable whether there is such a thing as an individual. every thought in your head, the basis from which you act on everything, was put in there from birth. you have been totally conditioned by your environment. even your personality is probably genetic to some extent. It is not important is there individual or there is no individual, changes nothing. Change your mind does not meen to achieve something. You simply building a house with no foundation. You asking nothing you just give answers. if every person you ever met told you the sky was purple you'd think it was purple and wouldn't know any different. you have to rely on others completely to function in this society. Not important, you can see sky red and grass blue you can call it in different names, still changes nothing. Your pursuit of truth has no meening at all for world, for you maybe its a true. you only have to look at ferral children to see what happens when there is no human interferement. they are utterly incapable of functioning in society and have no individuality whatsoever other than what you impose on them. And you expect to load OS from empty HDD or what? This is good argument, only together we form a "body" of humanity, like atoms form body, but individual atoms looks uninteligent to us. I say no! If I take one atom from your body you die from cancer. its not up to ug to prove anything and neither did he have any interest in doing so. there's nothing to prove anyway and nothing to understand. if you want to get nearer to truth then just strip all the shit away and accept the facts as they are. You meen accepting your dogmas? When you forget yourself you maybe begin to grasp what is philosophy and science and then live in harmony with nature. No one can escape those things. |
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"it's questionable whether there is such a thing as an individual. every thought in your head, the basis from which you act on everything, was put in there from birth. you have been totally conditioned by your environment. even your personality is probably genetic to some extent." It is not important is there individual or there is no individual, changes nothing. Change your mind does not meen to achieve something. You simply building a house with no foundation. You asking nothing you just give answers. "if every person you ever met told you the sky was purple you'd think it was purple and wouldn't know any different. you have to rely on others completely to function in this society. " Not important, you can see sky red and grass blue you can call it in different names, still changes nothing. Your pursuit of truth has no meening at all for world, for you maybe its a true. "you only have to look at ferral children to see what happens when there is no human interferement. they are utterly incapable of functioning in society and have no individuality whatsoever other than what you impose on them. " And you expect to load OS from empty HDD or what? This is good argument, only together we form a "body" of humanity, like atoms form body, but individual atoms looks uninteligent to us. I say no! If I take one atom from your body you die from cancer. "its not up to ug to prove anything and neither did he have any interest in doing so. there's nothing to prove anyway and nothing to understand. if you want to get nearer to truth then just strip all the shit away and accept the facts as they are." You meen accepting your dogmas? When you forget yourself you maybe begin to grasp what is philosophy and science and then live in harmony with nature. No one can escape those things. |
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y: i wil kill you and fuck your wife. What if we didn't know we had organs? I wonder if we'd think we think from/with the toes. |
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If we dont know we have organs, anatomy will not suported medicine and many people simply died. Even such simple thing as broken arm would be seriuos problem... Why do you ask such stupid questions? ... sry |
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What a boring, boring answer. Don't get your knickers in a twist, lighten up! I bet you get off with your 'thinking'. |
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Thats right |
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If you want to be 'serious'. Man was born with the Knowledge of Medicine was it? How did we manage before we started disecting each other and testing stuff on animals? I'll let you stroke your beard and come up with another wet ponce of an answer. |
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I once knew a badger who would operate on sick bats. |
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Also, my skin has never opened a book, yet it heals up perfectly. Anyway, I came so i can leave now, feeling slightly guilty. |
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I am also drunk right now. Cheers -> for philosophy |
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Cheers, nightex! All in good nature. |
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"All in good nature" good words. Same as mater is antimater in movement to anihilation. :) |
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@cx: Animals have to be violent to survive, humans don't - they have the choice to live a different way - as we do. Animals may appear to have choice, but it's hardly the same as human choice. They make instinctive, impulsive decisions, not planned choices. Whether thought is a part of that impulse is questionable and it's irrelevant anyway, as the question is not whether thought is right or wrong, it's about whether it is applied correctly, or simply completely destructive. Naturally, there's nothing wrong with thought in the sense of using it to ask directions, or to build a camera or a car etc., but in the intellectual/psychological field thought is useless and cannot solve anything, because there's nothing to solve. All the concepts that thought creates are entirely illusory. The world is really not complex. Eat, sleep, fuck. That's all the animals do and that's all you need to do to as far as nature is concerned; survive, reproduce, die. What is complex about that and why does it have to be more complex than that? Instead thought has created self-awareness, which brings about boredom, which is then filled with all sorts of illogical, meaningless nonsense, ideas, philosophies, cultures, etc., none of which is grounded in truth, yet causes immense suffering, fear, and death - divorcing us completely from our natural state. |
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Calling you ignorant gives me a warm feeling inside. I've yet to feel that way when i curse broth. It's not as random as you think. I'd need to be mad or upset at something/someone to maybe find pleasure in throwing a loaf of bread. For example. Alcohol consumption leads me to this thread. Sorry. |
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ug's a lil bitch |
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i haven't read any of this. can someone summarize this thread in the medium of dance recorded in a very short youtube link? thanks. |
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is what the thread was about basically. |
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thank you kind sir. albeit slightly less dance related than i wished. |
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