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lupus yonderboy
from 1970. (United Kingdom) on 2009-11-04 00:42 [#02342133]
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in response to the bad CGI comments- the bulk of the main special effects where practical models made by the very craftsmen from Shepperton that worked on Alien etc. It's hardly fucking babylon 5. And yes it wears it's influences/heritage on it's sleeve, you don't have to be a genius to name check the 3-4 classic scifi's of the last 30 years but it actively plays with the expectations established in genre to dramatic effect rather than mindlessly reuse them- behaviour of HAL/GERTY etc.
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pantalaimon
from Winterfell (United Kingdom) on 2009-11-04 09:40 [#02342176]
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The thing is you can't make a film like Solaris, Stalker or 2001 these days, no one would watch it.
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pantalaimon
from Winterfell (United Kingdom) on 2009-11-04 09:48 [#02342177]
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I have to say the effects were really good in this film, I didn't even notice any cgi, it was mostly models which is a good thing.
I am still waiting for a modern sci-fi masterpiece, could be a long wait!
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TACITURN
on 2009-11-04 09:57 [#02342181]
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RussellDust
on 2009-11-04 11:01 [#02342196]
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***SPOILERS***
That's the point. Everything didn't exactly go to plan. The clones weren't meant to interact or even meet each other. All they seem to know, appart from their job, is that everthing else is very distant (to them). 3 years.
"2 weeks to go, buddy!" Contrary to you, i thought it was all very human. Even Gerty, and his smileys. Clearly meant for humans.
I hate to say this buti think i may need a lie down. I can't handle my drink anymore.
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lupus yonderboy
from 1970. (United Kingdom) on 2009-11-04 11:22 [#02342200]
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in fairness it's not like solaris and stalker set the world alight when they where released- 2001 was initially met with a dismal response also until they rebranded it for wigged out hippies.
If a decent big budget director wanted to make a solid idea's based sci fi then yes they'd get backing just as kubrick did- say Paul Thomas Anderson [there will be blood not that other cretin]- but the budget clearly isn't the issue given how relatively cheap Moon was and lets face it the tools today are vastly faster/cheaper/flexiable than 30-40 years ago. I can't imagine many conditions harder than making a film in poverty stricken 70's russia with barebones equipment but tarkovsky did it. so i'm sure if someone had the determination, belief and craft for making a modern day equivalent that would be achievable.
I think the main issue is that basic tenant of escapist SF and it's traditional 'predicative' nature, seems to have been overtaken by a real world that more chaotic and dynamic than anyone could really feel comfortable with. In terms of weird social implications facebook is more scifi in my mind than a spaceship film. The best science fictions imo are psychological predictions a la dick/ballard/cronenberg. I think Moon fits this profile too albeit not as hard edged. We've past the industrial age into the information age but the biological age will be the next big societal tide. The corporate exploitation of genetics is spot on.
But broadly if the lack of good SF is simply a derth of stories and talent then surely these obstacles have always existed? Makes you wonder tho why chris cunningham has failed to get anything off the ground for the last ten years.
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nightex
from Šiauliai (Lithuania) on 2009-11-04 14:57 [#02342220]
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agree
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lupus yonderboy
from 1970. (United Kingdom) on 2009-11-13 05:18 [#02343864]
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LAZY_DVD
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Indeksical
from Phobiazero Damage Control (United Kingdom) on 2009-11-13 06:33 [#02343870]
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Ooh that's cheap. I'm getting der Blu Ray.
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Ahab
from Groningen (Netherlands, The) on 2009-11-13 08:50 [#02343886]
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i loved it! i think this guy is going to bring us more good films in the future
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RussellDust
on 2009-11-13 09:16 [#02343888]
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Is it a twist though? really? i found it was all about the interaction between the clones. The fact there's clones can be guessed very early in the film. And before the halfway mark you already know. That's part of what i like about the film. It's no sixth sense.
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RussellDust
on 2009-11-13 09:16 [#02343889]
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He's planning a Moon trilogy of some kind. Wether it will happen is another thing.
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Indeksical
from Phobiazero Damage Control (United Kingdom) on 2009-11-13 09:20 [#02343890]
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I agree. It's no twist, it's a narrative device essential to the meat of the story, the interaction between the two clones.
I think I posted something earlier in the thread about this.
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Indeksical
from Phobiazero Damage Control (United Kingdom) on 2009-11-13 09:25 [#02343892]
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I did!
Go me!
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RussellDust
on 2009-11-13 09:30 [#02343893]
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Why you little genius you!!
I want to send you some old tracks i compiled. Address in your profile ok?
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Indeksical
from Phobiazero Damage Control (United Kingdom) on 2009-11-13 09:35 [#02343894]
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Oooh! Fantastic!
use inconsequential.music[at]gmail.com I don't use the other one any more!
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RussellDust
on 2009-11-13 09:35 [#02343895]
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Ok great!
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