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offline lupus yonderboy from 1970. (United Kingdom) on 2009-11-04 00:42 [#02342133]
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in response to the bad CGI comments- the bulk of the main
special effects where practical models made by the very
craftsmen from Shepperton that worked on Alien etc. It's
hardly fucking babylon 5. And yes it wears it's
influences/heritage on it's sleeve, you don't have to be a
genius to name check the 3-4 classic scifi's of the last 30
years but it actively plays with the expectations
established in genre to dramatic effect rather than
mindlessly reuse them- behaviour of HAL/GERTY etc.



 

offline pantalaimon from Winterfell (United Kingdom) on 2009-11-04 09:40 [#02342176]
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The thing is you can't make a film like Solaris, Stalker or
2001 these days, no one would watch it.


 

offline pantalaimon from Winterfell (United Kingdom) on 2009-11-04 09:48 [#02342177]
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I have to say the effects were really good in this film, I
didn't even notice any cgi, it was mostly models which is a
good thing.

I am still waiting for a modern sci-fi masterpiece, could be
a long wait!


 

offline TACITURN on 2009-11-04 09:57 [#02342181]
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offline RussellDust on 2009-11-04 11:01 [#02342196]
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***SPOILERS***

That's the point. Everything didn't exactly go to plan. The
clones weren't meant to interact or even meet each other.
All they seem to know, appart from their job, is that
everthing else is very distant (to them). 3 years.
"2 weeks to go, buddy!"
Contrary to you, i thought it was all very human. Even
Gerty, and his smileys. Clearly meant for humans.

I hate to say this buti think i may need a lie down. I
can't handle my drink anymore.


 

offline lupus yonderboy from 1970. (United Kingdom) on 2009-11-04 11:22 [#02342200]
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in fairness it's not like solaris and stalker set the world
alight when they where released- 2001 was initially met with
a dismal response also until they rebranded it for wigged
out hippies.

If a decent big budget director wanted to make a solid
idea's based sci fi then yes they'd get backing just as
kubrick did- say Paul Thomas Anderson [there will be blood
not that other cretin]- but the budget clearly isn't the
issue given how relatively cheap Moon was and lets face it
the tools today are vastly faster/cheaper/flexiable than
30-40 years ago. I can't imagine many conditions harder than
making a film in poverty stricken 70's russia with barebones
equipment but tarkovsky did it. so i'm sure if someone had
the determination, belief and craft for making a modern day
equivalent that would be achievable.

I think the main issue is that basic tenant of escapist SF
and it's traditional 'predicative' nature, seems to have
been overtaken by a real world that more chaotic and dynamic
than anyone could really feel comfortable with. In terms of
weird social implications facebook is more scifi in my mind
than a spaceship film. The best science fictions imo are
psychological predictions a la dick/ballard/cronenberg. I
think Moon fits this profile too albeit not as hard edged.
We've past the industrial age into the information age but
the biological age will be the next big societal tide. The
corporate exploitation of genetics is spot on.

But broadly if the lack of good SF is simply a derth of
stories and talent then surely these obstacles have always
existed? Makes you wonder tho why chris cunningham has
failed to get anything off the ground for the last ten
years.



 

offline nightex from Šiauliai (Lithuania) on 2009-11-04 14:57 [#02342220]
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agree


 

offline lupus yonderboy from 1970. (United Kingdom) on 2009-11-13 05:18 [#02343864]
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LAZY_DVD


 

offline Indeksical from Phobiazero Damage Control (United Kingdom) on 2009-11-13 06:33 [#02343870]
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Ooh that's cheap. I'm getting der Blu Ray.


 

offline Ahab from Groningen (Netherlands, The) on 2009-11-13 08:50 [#02343886]
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i loved it! i think this guy is going to bring us more good
films in the future


 

offline RussellDust on 2009-11-13 09:16 [#02343888]
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Is it a twist though? really? i found it was all about the
interaction between the clones. The fact there's clones can
be guessed very early in the film. And before the halfway
mark you already know. That's part of what i like about the
film. It's no sixth sense.


 

offline RussellDust on 2009-11-13 09:16 [#02343889]
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He's planning a Moon trilogy of some kind. Wether it will
happen is another thing.


 

offline Indeksical from Phobiazero Damage Control (United Kingdom) on 2009-11-13 09:20 [#02343890]
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I agree. It's no twist, it's a narrative device essential to
the meat of the story, the interaction between the two
clones.

I think I posted something earlier in the thread about this.


 

offline Indeksical from Phobiazero Damage Control (United Kingdom) on 2009-11-13 09:25 [#02343892]
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I did!

Go me!


 

offline RussellDust on 2009-11-13 09:30 [#02343893]
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Why you little genius you!!

I want to send you some old tracks i compiled. Address in
your profile ok?


 

offline Indeksical from Phobiazero Damage Control (United Kingdom) on 2009-11-13 09:35 [#02343894]
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Oooh! Fantastic!

use inconsequential.music[at]gmail.com I don't use the other
one any more!


 

offline RussellDust on 2009-11-13 09:35 [#02343895]
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Ok great!


 


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