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I have always liked 'sound design' 'sound sculpture' 'sound architecture' more than actual music, notational compositions etc I used to listen to radio static when i was a young boy |
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I think that no artist really fits the perfect description of "idm." The term cannot save the music being played, much like the music cannot save the term. idm to me is one of the few genres which isnt actually a genre, it's just a way to describe early warp records and some other known labels in the 90's and early 00's.. no matter how different those warp artists were, they all became IDM. nowadays i just associate idm with glitch, specifically glitch effects and technical tricks in music, but then again glitch is an own genre also. but yeah idm = funny weird glitch noises. (to me) part of the demise of this idm might also be that some people started to become disappointed with the main warp artists from early 00's - 06 even so you see on waffles and other sites many people still follow all the idm artists, and new artists in the idm category are downloaded a bunch too.. its like an open secret where everyone says its dead but everyone also downloads the new releases |
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aphex twin, squarepusher etc will always be popular but they are not idm artists thats why idm the name and philosophy died because it is the american interpretation of aphex twin's career but it is just a lie spread by christpuncher (flashbulb) and other american kids on joyrex.com 10 years ago. idm never existed, it's a lie/misunderstanding spread on messageboards. |
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the term idm was a big pile of shit i never bought into - are the artists more intelligent than other producers? does it make us more intelligent for listening to it? are we more intelligent than other fans of electronic music? music wise i cant speak for what's happening in idm at the moment (if the movement even exists) but in other eletronic genres i think its a very interesting time for electro house / dubstep / drum n bass and everything in between. zero chin stroke factor, very good to dance to. |
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i never liked the chin stroke factor in terms of music. music is all about emotion. people say autechre is so mathematical and algorithmipoo, but in the end its not about that and those people are clueless. all music that appears to be that way must have some primal emotional content or else it fails, for me at least. emotions = associations doesnt necessarily mean dancable, it can also mean brain dance :: |
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My problem here is with genres. I hate genres, they do nothing for music except help people find things they like. I remember reading an interview with Richard D James about IDM, and he said something about how it made other peoples music sound stupid. Tru dat. Music is just vibrations in the air that does stuff to your brain. Depending on how you view life, music will mean different things, especially abstract music, which many a time does not have a meaning. I suppose I'm stating the obvious. I'll end here by saying wether it is mind blowing or not is completely up to what goes on in the listeners mind, and for me, its all gud bruv. I'll keep the beats rolling till I change! |
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dont get me wrong i do like what a lot of people call 'idm'. i can see why people might describe it as being mathematical, however if i had to think about its mathematical properties, at a conscious level, that would detract from my enjoyment of the music (plus i know next to nothing about maths). it affects me emotionally, and any sort of mathematical association must be a purely sub-conscious process. take house music - it can be so structurally rigid - 16 bar intro, 16 bar build up, break down after 32 / 64 bars, every section neatly divided into segments of 8 bars. when you hear this system being subverted its quite thrilling, in a rather technical way. when i was at uni in my house the maths / chemistry / physics heads liked aphex, the less technically minded did not. huge generalisation, i know, but i do think in some ways 'idm' makes perfect sense to some, and yet is completely baffling to others. |
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plain and simple it's absolutely a subjective matter, one could be completely deprived of the technical views on music and still pick something and viceversa, for me its about who you are, what you learnt from life, its about using a completely different set of judgements cos you're not me. another funny thing is that if you happen to do music, your output can gather an amount of significance compared to the one that pushed you to do that, or lose all of it. and everything cos decades ago you heard that put-a-donk-on-it track at xltronic. |
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wait. it is more intelligent than basshunter. so its not dance music....its more intelligent. also this whole turning on idm as a genre is the next fashionable thing, like saying 'im agnostic' cos too many folks are atheists. |
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'fuck idm' is the new idm. just listen and shoosh |
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*unlearnt from life, that is |
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bollocks. i first came across the term idm about 7/8 years ago and though it was nonsense. im certainly not jumping on the bandwagon before it disappears over the horizon. besides peeps use it all the time here. |
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i don't think americans in the early 90s had the same appreciation of techno as many europeans. most americans who got into aphex twin and autechre early on did so through crossover interests, (industrial, post-punk, no-wave). If america were europe, everyone would have been into electro and detroit and when aphex twin comes along it is just the next step. except it really wasn't like that. i'd say more american's that listened to ae and afx at this time were more likely to also have ministry & big black in their collection than phuture. rave culture was looked down on a lot, and most techno was considered trite, so intelligent dance music was coined and these artists were considered acceptable to american beard strokers, while being too into techno remained something for "candy ravers and transvestites." of course in europe the term is rejected because of a richer heritage in regards to electronic music. for many, aphex twin and autechre are the natural progression of what they already know. so the idea that this form of dance music is intelligent while others are not is offensive, as it would also be offensive to an american who was into detroit 1st and then got into aphex twin. |
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i'd say more american's that listened to ae and afx at this time were more likely to also have ministry & big black in their collection than phuture. That was sort of me, but I was on the wrong side of the Atlantic. I often think I should have been American, I just do't have the right teeth I suppose. |
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well said glasse you just wrote the truth |
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