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Pix plz. |
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i have a question for you, i know that we are primarily a physical entity with organs to keep alive and remain existing, but don't you think that death proves that it is not our only means of existing, after all, energy is not created or destroyed, so us being humans, dont you think that we are beings that in some unknown way desired to be this way instead of an insect, don't you think we are enlightened beings being born and dead all over again? I'm not religious or spiritual, but i am also curious and don't like to just have clarity on the truths that surround us. I believe that what people do Does matter greatly, just because you're comapring what humans function as to the larger universal scheme doesn't mean that the universe's vastness is any more meaningful than a single life. i don't think our only true function is to reproduce, how could we be here jsut to reproduce when we have frontal lobes that can create and understand things that other animals cannot or limited to? |
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what the hell is the mind |
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Doesn't exist in what way? I am me, I never said I was anything more or anything less. "me" as I define it is my body and my thoughts, and the abstract idea that I am separate from everything else. If you say that the "me" doesn't exist, you are saying that I am not separate from everything else, everything is the same. But without this separation there would be no mind nor knowledge, and we have a mind and knowledge. That being said, you had an interesting thought about society - the fact that western society is mostly built up on ideologies, ideas and practices that aren't necessary or 'true', and that people demand we follow their norms and practices to entertain them and make them feel safe. This could be true, but in such a case it has nothing to do with the phenomena of consciousness in the physical sense - that's a debate for scientists. One can make a lot of critiques about western society, and I do mean A LOT, but try to strip the discussion of all that and think very simplistic - namely how consciousness arises in physicality, and what this means, and how we should value beliefs and things created in this consciousness. |
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"Music is the only religion that delivers the goods" - Frank Zappa |
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the mind is what the brain does |
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As darisugriffin mentions, it appears as though the universe created our species randomly - what makes you think there is any design or purpose? i don't think that's entirely honest. if you're talking about biological evolution, then no it's not 'by chance' in the sense that you usually hear creationists using it, but by 'selection' as in 'natural selection'. if you step back and ask about the evolution of the universe i think the answer is still not randomness. you've heard the infinite monkey theorem? you could conceivably generate all the works of human literature if you consider a book to be defined as a string of up to one million characters, if you wrote a computer program you could generate all possible books. but the number is so impossibly large (i dunno, 26^million) that you could never do it. so if you could break the universe down to simple rules all the universes containing life would be generated in the same way. |
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First of all you have to recognise that you are an animal, pure and simple. The human brain is more sophisticated than any other animal's brain, but then a monkey does not boast because it is far more intelligent than a flea. The human brain became sophisticated enough that it could learn language and therefore find a more powerful way to reason and communicate, but that evolutionary process has taken tens of thousands of years, it was not instant. You seem to think all of this fell in your lap, it didn't - if what you call you was born only 200,000 years ago you would be gesturing like a moron and climbing trees. And when you died 200,000 years ago nobody would be there to say you would have an afterlife, just like nobody thinks a monkey in a zoo is going to come back and be the same monkey. What exactly has changed between then and now, between being a primate and homo sapien? Not a lot. You are the same animal that you were 200,000 years ago, it's just your brain is more advanced, and now you can question things and reason your thoughts, and you can also make up all sorts of shit, like the afterlife and all that other bogus crap. There is no afterlife for the monkeys swinging in the trees, and there was none when you were a big hairy neanderthal, and there is none now. It's a figment of your imagination, arising from your fear of death, your desire to cling on to permanancy. You could say that you do live on, in that if you're buried your body decays and feeds the worms and bugs who then pro-create etc., but you don't come back as a fully function individiual - the same as you were before, able to remember who you were in a past life, which is as preposterous as it sounds. Inventing a religion does not make it any less preposterous either. If it wasn't for fear of death religion would not even exist, as that's what it's all about. |
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man, you're like the rawest person i've ever conversed with. You always make me feel like i'm at rock bottom haha, not a bad thing, but all of this self-awareness is starting to freak me out. who knows i could just be using this english language that developed long ago to further my fear of death. For real you're not even pessimistic, it's entered a whole new level, i would call it, Barcodism |
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You are already self-aware and always have been. The only thing that stops humans from being self-aware is the heap of psychological shit and dumb beliefs they pile up in their brains until their clarity becomes a complete fog. No, I'm not pessimistic. I'm not saying I don't have certain fears and insecurities - it's unavoidable because society is such a powerful movement and we have been indoctrinated by it, and of course you always worry about the welfare of others, which is completely beyond your control. It takes a strong person not to fall into line. But although I do not want to die, I am not afraid of death as it's inevitable, and it seems preposterous to ruin the only life you have by becoming fixated over it. I also refuse to ruin my life by putting "make-up" all over my intellect and destroying its sensitivity. |
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youll like this barcode. i have to write an essay for an ethics unit, arguing for or against the claim that 'we have a moral obligation to help our neighbour' i'm arguing against, on the grounds that moral obligation is a sham. |
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"if what you call you was born only 200,000 years ago you would be gesturing like a moron" lol whut. |
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Don't listen to me, I talk crap half the time. |
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we are actually electricity , we are not flesh we are residing inside the flesh and bone. it so freaky poos. |
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my partner reads u.g. in the toilet. she says it helps her bowel movements. |
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It's sad when elementary psychology rears it's head on here. You're either in Marcel Duchamps camp or not. |
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I prefer selective perception. |
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I don't understand what 'realizing that you're an animal' actually accomplishes.. You never define your terms either. You have to define what animal is, what does an animal do, what does it think and feel, and how are humans separate from these (if they are?) Just saying "humans are animals!" doesn't get us any closer to actually understanding the situation. I also had other questions in my earlier post that you didn't reply to. |
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thats a phrase i ive used befor, and when i say it i mean it in a way in that humans are on a par with every other creature on this earth. We are nothing more than animals, many people put themselves into a higher class, but i feel this is wrong. barcode.... interesting posts, i like. go get yourself some cake and i'll pick up the tab. |
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Err, an animal is a multi-cellular organism - and it shouldn't be too difficult to realise you're that. Anything super-imposed on top of that is not required by nature. Nature doesn't require your love, your hate, your philosophies, your inventions, your wars, your peace, your religions, your temples. It requires you to procreate then die, so other animals can procreate then die. Other animals feel just like you, they get depressed when they're ill, happy when they're fed and healthy, annoyed when they get trodden on or teased, jealous if you give their dinner to another animal - well some do, others are less sophisticated. You are the most sophisticated of animals, so you have all that and more. Thought has ensured your range of emotions are more varied, subtle and complex. Thoughts are useful when applied correctly, but anything within the realm of philosophy or psychology is completely meaningless. That's your situation. |
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The statement "anything within the realm of philosophy or psychology is completely meaningless" is a metaphysical judgement and hence philosophical. Also, this thread is dildos. |
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thread need more drunken mastah |
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Yeah where is that little fucker? Has he abandoned us to the visigoths and phyllis steins? |
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AAAAHHHHH take it away take it away it's so vulgar! I can feel her eyes burning me like cigarettes. :-( |
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Obviously. |
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do you prefer this one? |
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I want xltronic to go back to its roots as a socratic agora where we inquire into the nature of truth. |
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Jan...? |
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lol @ socratic agora |
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oh god, I can't . |
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Don't you laugh at my dreams, you bastard! |
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XD |
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She's my little love-beaver, chewing through the legs of the dinner table. |
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That post is greatly enhanced by the brulevatar |
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christian mom makes $5 each month working from the comfort of home. |
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damn, that thing looks like a child whose mother just said 'no' |
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)C: |
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LOL it's him! |
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Epohs taught me that trick. |
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i hope that Epohs is not the guy on the pic |
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barcode, OK so everything added on top is not required by nature you say, but do we really know that? If we dig a little deeper, we see that all those philosophical properties are in fact not added by us specifically, but rather they are created by nature and the universe, and evolution. In fact, everything we have created with our intelligence and imagination is in fact the universe that has created. So my question is, how can we assume that it has no meaning, when we don't really understand why its there to begin with, nor how it works? It must be there because of at minimum some random fluke, but even then it's not completely random because the primordial elements in the universe must still have had the capability for consciousness and all that it entails. And even still being philosophical and imaginative does help our survival, it helps us think up technologies and even have sex. There's no definite proof for why consciousness is as elaborate as it is, or how it works the way it does, and much less what role it plays in the universe as a whole. |
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nice one! |
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How do we know everything on top is not required by nature? Open your eyes and look, that's how you know. You are telling me there is a master plan, but you don't know what it is - absence of proof is not proof of absence. I am giving you evidence to support my theory, you are giving me nothing, just negation. You say being philosophical and imaginative helps human survival, does it? How many millions have been unnecessarily killed for an idea - and continue to be? Did the creation of nuclear weapons statistically enhance the odds of human survival? Alligators and cockroaches don't have ideas, but they've lasted a lot longer than humans. They don't need ideas to adapt and survive their environment, so why do humans? As for sex? What's your point there? Other animals do not require thought to have sex, even an Ameoba can reproduce. Either accept what you see with your own eyes or live in a romanticised fantasy world where your philosophies and beliefs mean something. They do say "ignorance is bliss", but you are also atrophying your brain. |
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ha, you either agree with barcode, or you're an idiot living in a fantasy world! i hereby declare this line of inquiry resolved. |
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correct |
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andre holland on UR |
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