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marlowe
from Antarctica on 2008-04-04 09:51 [#02191287]
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"brevity is the soul of wit" - Shakespeare
DM often comes off as someone who's read so many text books and listened to so many lectures that his soul has become swamped and he's become an automaton library of some kind. It's a shame, because when he's not being a pompous oaf, he's a sweetheart.
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fleetmouse
from Horny for Truth on 2008-04-04 09:59 [#02191289]
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DM is great. Who else on this board can take such abrasively unpopular positions and defend them so frustratingly well? Think of him as a sparring partner and forget about who's right or wrong. This is classic zilty right here, this is.
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plaidzebra
from so long, xlt on 2008-04-04 10:03 [#02191291]
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"brevity is...wit." -reader's digest condensed version
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marlowe
from Antarctica on 2008-04-04 10:08 [#02191295]
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hehe :D
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Drunken Mastah
from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2008-04-04 10:59 [#02191316]
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Hahah, I feel flattered!
I'm pretty sure that my lack of pithy is due to English being a mere second language for me, but since I (and most other Norwegians) learnt it at such a young age, there is a possibility that I, on some kind of neural level, interpret the two languages in a similar way, but with Norwegian as the basis. It could be I'm just speaking Norwegian with English words, if you catch my drift. The other possibility, and one that is certainly more likely, is that, since it is a second language, I feel less secure that what I say will be interpreted the way I intend it to be, making it more wordy.
There's also the fact that I strive for accuracy even when I speak normally (I try to live as close to philosophy as possible, even in certain "non-ethical" ways), often leading to a situation where I've restated the same thing four times, but with different words just to get it more accurate.
With that in mind, I have a question. Earlier I wrote something about some music belonging to a movie. To me it makes sense to write "the movie's," but the dictionary (which is indeed faulty) makes red lines under it. Should it be without the apostrophe? Maybe "the movies" or "the movies'?" The latter seems more likely of the two, but also seems to be about something belonging to all the movies. It's confusing.
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marlowe
from Antarctica on 2008-04-04 11:06 [#02191318]
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It's because movie isn't a word - change it to film and it should be fine.
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Drunken Mastah
from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2008-04-04 11:18 [#02191326]
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Aha!
But the dictionary approves of movie, though..? Is it American?
That also reminds me... I've seen some weird formulations (or, at least they seem weird to me) in some of the psychology books I have, and I believe it is because it's American English.. are there differences in how words are placed as well? Or maybe it's just a matter of preference?
Example: "These people probably are aware that they are causing some damage" vs "These people are probably aware that they are causing some damage."
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marlowe
from Antarctica on 2008-04-04 11:26 [#02191331]
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The firefox I've got installed (didn't change the language or anything) flags "movie" as a word. I tried film's and it's not underlined at all.
In your example, I would definitely used "There people are probably" rather than "These people probably are".
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Drunken Mastah
from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2008-04-04 12:21 [#02191356]
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Yeah, me too, but it seems like it's the other way around in American English; all the American books do it that way.
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marlowe
from Antarctica on 2008-04-04 12:29 [#02191364]
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The 2nd example, if I'm right is a split-infinitive because the phrase "The people are" has been split by the word "probably" - split infinitives were frowned upon (academically speaking) until the mid '90s I think. Also, I think we can agree that Example 1 flows much nicer!
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fleetmouse
from Horny for Truth on 2008-04-04 12:30 [#02191366]
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Teach your goddamn commie browser to talk American!
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marlowe
from Antarctica on 2008-04-04 12:31 [#02191368]
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I would have thought US English would have been its default language? I haven't seen "UK English" as an option for about 5 years!
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dariusgriffin
from cool on 2008-04-04 12:34 [#02191374]
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I'd need context, but I don't think it means the same thing.
"These people probably are aware" as in, "despite what you may think, these people are actually aware, probably" or "i'll concede that these people are probably aware, but that's beside the point".
Or similar.
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Advocate
on 2008-04-04 13:00 [#02191400]
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this thread about needs less grammar talk and more ego massaging.
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Drunken Mastah
from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2008-04-04 13:07 [#02191404]
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It's used in both (and more) contexts... It's not just that sentence, but a general structural thing where they switch certain words around.
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Co-existence
from Bergen (Norway) on 2008-09-24 00:53 [#02239822]
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Is this the thread for appreciation of "From here we go sublime" by the Field? I discovered this album yesterday and I've been listening to it over and over. It reminds me a bit of Quique by Seefeel and that's a good thing. It's nice to have minimal music that is fairly accessible. A listneable SND....
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