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rockenjohnny
from champagne socialism (Australia) on 2006-10-30 07:29 [#01994916]
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when you catch your boss doing that, its time to change jobs
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Ceri JC
from Jefferson City (United States) on 2006-10-30 07:31 [#01994919]
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Classic example of "missing the point":
"I find it amusing that coming from a country filled with people that still havent got the clue that toothbrushes are
our friend, they have the nerve to call anyone any sort of derogatory name. furthermore, although i am european by blood, i was born and raised here. and of course i dont agree with everything i that my country does, i feel it a privelage to live here. so when some non speaking ass euro decides he wants to bad mouth my shit, all i can say is you
dont like it, tell cousin mjolenor to stay the fuck out then. i mean i could see why jealousy is an issue. if all i
had to look at all day were uptight, jacked up toothed, mangled face having bitches allday, i'd be pretty po'd. or maybe instead of my luxurious leather stitched high horsepowered automobile, i had to drive a shoebox with wheels, that wouldnt make me very happy either. so if you guys want to talk shit about something as idiotic
a phrase-dont forget not all people can be as uptight as the
brits-, then go right ahead. cause when i leave work today,
in my big gas guzzling luxo, bumping my mega wattage stereo(you guys do know what that is right? or has technology over there not gotten as far as figuring out how
to wedge a cd player and speakers into a fucking renault?) listening to some proem, i'll remember why i could care less." Posted by Intruder, 2004.
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Drunken Mastah
from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2006-10-30 07:37 [#01994923]
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I find the name Biggles amusing
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Bill Burroughs
from Colombia on 2006-10-30 07:42 [#01994928]
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I chuckled at ecnadniarb's comment: "Most Americans have difficulty in quantative measurement,
which is why most of them are fat fuckers who can't stand up
without wheezing. So they have to speak in general terms. "
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Bill Burroughs
from Colombia on 2006-10-30 07:45 [#01994934]
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Exactly. And he's showing off about the fact that his car is a "big gas guzzling luxo" as if most europeans wouldn't take that as confirmation of his large blubbery selfish cunt american-ness.
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Bill Burroughs
from Colombia on 2006-10-30 07:47 [#01994938]
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Also, don't all americans claim to be "european by blood," as he says? Haha, that makes me laugh for a number of reasons.
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Ceri JC
from Jefferson City (United States) on 2006-10-30 07:51 [#01994943]
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Yes, his post certainly breaks down the perception that (some) Americans are completely devoid of culture, wit or appreciation of anything that cannot be bought or sold. He made me completely change my opinion that some are stupid, materialistic and superficial.
NB: Usual disclaimer. One of my best friends is American and I'm going to visit for 3 weeks next year. I like many facets of American life and I know several extremely intelligent Americans. It's just that some of them seem to actively live the stereotype and our lad Intruder is one of them.
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recycle
from Where is Phobiazero (Lincoln) (United States) on 2006-10-30 07:54 [#01994950]
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Brilliant.
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Ceri JC
from Jefferson City (United States) on 2006-10-30 07:55 [#01994953]
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Don't worry recycle. You're one of the "good Americans". You don't need to be ashamed.
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Bill Burroughs
from Colombia on 2006-10-30 08:34 [#01995003]
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The rest of you can bite my arse with your perfect tall white teeth.
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Ceri JC
from Jefferson City (United States) on 2006-10-30 08:43 [#01995007]
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Ah yes, fileing your incissors flat so you can't chew steak properly, then rendering yourself impotent with teeth whitening products. Another charming quality I am oh so envious of...
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Drunken Mastah
from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2006-10-30 08:45 [#01995012]
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I think that same difference thing is something a logician made up while drunk and then laughed at until he died
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redrum
from the allman brothers band (Ireland) on 2006-10-30 08:54 [#01995032]
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fucking yanks
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redrum
from the allman brothers band (Ireland) on 2006-10-30 08:55 [#01995035]
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"were he american, i could care less"
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Ceri JC
from Jefferson City (United States) on 2006-10-30 09:12 [#01995061]
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Yes. It always struck me as a bizarre saying. I have never heard (or read) it used correctly, aside from when someone is correcting the (mis)use of it by someone else.
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Drunken Mastah
from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2006-10-30 09:20 [#01995066]
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it's probably some logical joke about how a difference is that one is not the other and not making a difference is where one and the other is the same, and then if you say that a difference is a same, you get the same as no difference... or something. You could probably get some logician to give you a full p-->q layout of the situation or something.
other than that it may be that the phrase was being used in a fully logical sense where you say apples and oranges, bees and mosquitoes; same difference" or something like that (you compare the difference of one to the difference of the other) and then someone somewhere misunderstood the same way some people I knew used to believe banal was used to refer to something extraordinary because most situations, when made explicit, they can seem both silly and normal at the same time; the phrase "and you use such banal examples as a cat chasing a mouse" could be seen as being a quite normal example and a quite silly/out of place example at the same time to two different people so they'll both have their own interpretation of the word banal.
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Ceri JC
from Jefferson City (United States) on 2006-10-30 09:44 [#01995076]
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Your instance of the misuse of banal is just ignorance on the part of the people who think it means extraordinary. At least, unlike "same difference" it's understandable how the misuse came about.
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Sano
on 2006-10-30 09:46 [#01995077]
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You guys are badass.
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recycle
from Where is Phobiazero (Lincoln) (United States) on 2006-10-30 09:51 [#01995080]
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yes, that pretty much sums it up
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Drunken Mastah
from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2006-10-30 09:52 [#01995081]
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no, it's more or less the same; you hear something in some context then assume it to mean something and you never check what it actually means.
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xceque
on 2006-10-30 09:58 [#01995084]
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From that article: Let's start with a couple generative formations
Me: Let's start with a couple OF generative formations. Motherfucker.
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Ceri JC
from Jefferson City (United States) on 2006-10-30 10:04 [#01995085]
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Well, my point is that with "same difference" it's unclear exactly how the ignorant people who misuse the term learnt it in the first place. I doubt they spend a lot of time kicking about with logicians.
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Drunken Mastah
from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2006-10-30 10:27 [#01995098]
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yeah, that logician thing isn't really plausible, I just think it's a misunderstanding where someone compared one difference to another and then someone interpreted it in a different way.
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Ceri JC
from Jefferson City (United States) on 2006-10-30 10:49 [#01995132]
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I agree. It could be an interesting "history of language" project to find out how the misuse of phrases (or logically incorrect) such as this came about.
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Drunken Mastah
from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2006-10-30 11:02 [#01995144]
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haha, you'd probably never find the origin, as it would be something that just spread from one mistake to another, and this would most likely have been happening since long before it ever got recorded in any way... I could care less probably originated as a sarcastic comment, but then it became dead; it took on the meaning it originally drew from sarcasm, so you aren't really sarcastic when you use it any more, it's just a new phrase that's worked its way into language, and it actually means what the sarcasm meant. It's not really an uncommon phenomenon.. we had about it in philosophy of language, and especially in connection with dead metaphors like "the mouth of a river."
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rad smiles
on 2006-10-30 14:48 [#01995370]
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incisors
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rad smiles
on 2006-10-30 14:50 [#01995378]
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im addicted to teeth whitener and boner pills. its a never ending cycle. i could give a toss. i could care less. same difference.
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Paco
from Gothenburg (Sweden) on 2006-11-19 11:21 [#02004732]
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This has been my fave for a while now. "I should of known." There are variations on it. Basically whenever "have" is replaced with "of" when it should be "'ve", as in the latter half of "haVE".
I'm getting annoyed just thinking about it. Maybe the reason these things have stuck with me has to do with the English classes we had to take as early as fourth grade.
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redrum
from the allman brothers band (Ireland) on 2006-11-19 11:27 [#02004736]
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people do that all over the world.. it's just ignorance.
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