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the news coverage is pure bullshit. CNN and CBC can go to hell |
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If it wasn't Israel would you people still be against the current conflict? Or is the argument against them all on the pretext that they are an artificial country living on someone else's land? |
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i think that's a small part of the argument. add to that, Israel is the cat's paw of the U.S. essentially fighting the cat's paw of Iran. but there are many facets about this conflict to hate. the deaths of more civilians than soldiers being my favorite thing to hate on. |
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War is an outdated method for solving conflicts, it is horrible and it can never be executed fairly, but it is still here. Israel is only doing what any other country would do in their place. Hezbollah are holed up around civilians. They are attacking from places where civilians live in clusters. This tells me Hezbollah WANTS not only civilian deaths on the Israeli side, but also on Lebanon's side. Forget about the long history and think about this objectively perhaps. I feel horrible for Lebanon. They are only in the crossfire. The whole country, but they shouldn't have let Hezbollah commandeer their land. |
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It's not going to end with Hezbollah s defeat. The Us can pump Israel with loads of weapons but they are surrounded. This pathetic colonialism attempt is going to fail and end in even more of a mess. |
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i think people fight wars these days for stupid reasons... i mean, world war II was justified in my eyes, but the stuff that's been happening recently? i think it's just stupid and pointless, i mean nothing major is happening but everyone has to take major action to correct it. i'm just sick of the world right now. i wish i had some drugs to do. |
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world war II was rockin'! But conflict is a part of human nature, it is stupid and pointless but that's what we are. It's bedtime for me! |
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how many people have joined hezbollah since all this began? i reckon there could be loads. people who have lost their homes to the israeli army over the last few weeks, and are so pissed off they want to fight back. most of the lebanese people interviewed on BBC news seem to support hezbollah |
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1 no most don't support hezbollah 2 people don't decide to join hezbollah like that |
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on BBC news theyve interviewed about 5 civilians over the whole thing, including one woman i remember whos apartment in Tyre was blown up, and a group of guys in a cafe in north Beirut and all of them said stuff like "i hope hezbollah are victorious" etc. and from their poinr of view, i dont blame them. they have nothing to do with the war, had done no wrong until their families and property were blown up with no warning. of course, the same is happening in israel too. is all a huge mess |
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I can't believe I never thought of it like that. I've always always hated war and the idea of it, but just because of the deaths that occur more than anything else. But yes, it is hugely outdated. Why should it be decided that one country or set of countries gets what they want because they win the "fight". Seems childlike and playground-esque, when dealing with situations that affect the lives of so many |
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i believe earlier figures said else, 5 interviews aren't representative, maybe they just wanted to show the opinion is shifting though |
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from the other side, what else could israel have done? hezbollah just decided to fire missiles into israel with no immediate provocation. some covert sabotage shit would have been better i guess. or some sort of deal with the lebanese government if possible. surely they can reign hezbollah in? |
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hello, see how the allies had learnt from wwII, not punishing germany as severe as after wwI we're just in a shit rightwing agressive polics area atm, with that awful bush as prime example |
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that AWFUL bush :D you sound like a posh old lady. Love it |
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no it started with that kidnapping, which israel saw as an opportunity, israel started it pretty much, they should have worked with lebanon government to go after hezbollah it's the same 'pro active' approach as america invading iraq: utter stupidity, creating hate, making things worse for generations to come |
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hehe, i think i said it in my head like that :) |
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oh yeah, the kidnapped guys a covert op thing would have worked then, they could have got them back and that would be it |
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yea but clearly they didn't want to do that |
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"No immediate provocation"? Now, I understand that terrorism works by targeting civilians, but even Hezbollah usually has certain reasons for timing its actions... The timeline of the events is somewhat obfuscated in Western media, but let the truth be told: The quarter of a century campaign of Israeli aggression and occupation against Lebanon is hardly a non-issue here. More specifically, the capture of the Israeli soldiers by Hezbollah was a standard war time procedure, something Israeli forces practice all the time. Israel has just chosen to value, for propagandist and chauvinistic purposes, a single Israeli soldier more than a hundred (Israeli or Arab) civilians. As it happens, I have huge sympathies for Israeli soldiers, if only because conscription is a (deplorable) fact of life in the country - still, 'proportionate' this response was not. Now, random launch of missiles is a useful tool for both sides, since it involves massive civilian casualties (of course, Israel usually claims to aim at specific leaders and such), which creates unease and fear, which creates a desire for tough leaders. Where's the next Sharon, Netanyahu or Arafat? Right there, look, seeing his mommy blown to pieces. |
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of course there is the general anger at israel for their wall and the bulldozing and all the other palestinian shit, plus the past invasion of lebanon. obviously there is a lot of anti-israel sentiment in the area. and even more since all this recent shit since, regardless of the past, loads of lebanese have just had their lives completely ruined by the israeli military. im convinced hezbollah has much more support by lebanese civilians now than it did two months ago. did hezbollah expect all this when they kidnapped the two guys? |
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(but obviously won't do anything about it) UN clearance experts had so far found 100,000 unexploded cluster bomblets at 359 separate sites, Jan Egeland said. "Ninety per cent of the cluster bomb strikes occurred in the last 72 hours of the conflict, when we knew there would be a resolution," he said. I thought that was nice. |
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18 lebanese killed so far by them too and all. |
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