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tolstoyed
from the ocean on 2007-10-31 21:31 [#02139645]
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man. i've been looking for an interesting job for quite some time now but all there is is marketing related stuff or web design..and i'd like something creative or something..web design sort of is but im not a programer..it's really silly..like all contemporary jobs only revolve around idea to sell something..most often completly irrelevant stuff, like web space or something..there's occassional opening in something remotly interesting but it always requiers experience in the field which i haven't got haha..it seems it's either a job i wouldn't give a fuck about or giving up my life in order to get some semi decent job..or, and this one seems the most sane out of the 3 options - i start working on my own. i only have to figure out what heh
dunno where im going with this..i guess i'd like to hear your experience in finding a suitable job..
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PORICK
from fucking IRELAND on 2007-10-31 21:34 [#02139646]
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i'll read this sometime when the room isn't spinning, honest
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tolstoyed
from the ocean on 2007-10-31 21:37 [#02139647]
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haha. it isn't that interesting.
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SlipDrinkMats
from Thanks (Bhutan) on 2007-10-31 21:41 [#02139648]
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I didn't set out to be the world's 386,454,324th worst web designer, and I certainly didn't mean to work freelance. But then I don't know what else I'd have done really, so.. I don't think this helps. I often say I work as a web designer because I miss the 90s. This rarely gets a laugh.
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cygnus
from nowhere and everyplace on 2007-10-31 21:48 [#02139649]
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do you have an expensive lifestyle?
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tolstoyed
from the ocean on 2007-10-31 22:07 [#02139651]
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not one bit. i used to spend tons (on nothing) but now i make about 5% of what i used to make and it's not even enough to pay my bills. i love what i do now and i want to continue doing it, but i need a job that pays normal wages so i can at least pay my bills. i haven't both anything for me (except food) in like 2 years and im cool with that because i don't need anything..and im not against working..if it's somehting i love doing i can practically work non stop but in the past couple of months that i've beed browsing for a job i didn't find aynthing remotly interesting.
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tolstoyed
from the ocean on 2007-10-31 22:10 [#02139652]
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both=bought
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cygnus
from nowhere and everyplace on 2007-10-31 22:23 [#02139653]
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i would love to give some kind of thoughtful advice but i can't think of any
if you have come a distance and there are no forks in the road the only option left is to go backward
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mappatazee
from ¨y¨z¨| (Burkina Faso) on 2007-11-01 03:58 [#02139690]
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my experience is much the same
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Ceri JC
from Jefferson City (United States) on 2007-11-01 04:16 [#02139694]
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I think most work that has a degree of "craft" to it is rewarding (IE something which takes time to learn and is not easily reproduceable in an unskilled worker). Also, those jobs which result in visible, tangible things (ideally which last for some time and that you will see again in future).
I like revisiting places I've worked at months or even years before and seeing things I've done still being there/being used.
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chambre noire
from Iceland on 2007-11-01 04:28 [#02139697]
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Become a plumber och electrician
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horsefactory
from 💠 (United Kingdom) on 2007-11-01 04:28 [#02139698]
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mine too, it's awful i think some kind of craft is the best thing to do. it's pretty much the opposite to what you describe (which is basically the kind of stuff i'm doing now, and it kills me). my family used to have a leather business, traditional, really high quality, unfortunately it didn't survive, i wish it had, i'd love to be doing that now.
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rockenjohnny
from champagne socialism (Australia) on 2007-11-01 05:00 [#02139701]
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I'm very disillusioned with any work related to sales: it also seems that sales, to a degree, encompasses the arts. This is one of the reasons why I've decided to commence studies healthcare and social work.
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tolstoyed
from the ocean on 2007-11-01 05:45 [#02139710]
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im kinda too old to study again hah..there were couple of jobs in field i studied for that seemed sort of interesting but they both required experience..and the only way to gain experience is to work in that exact same position (which there are like maybe 20 in whole country)..it really blows
as for craftsmanship, im way too unhandy for anything like that i think..it's really just as much my fault not being able to find anything interesting because im simply interested in very few things hehe
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Drunken Mastah
from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2007-11-01 05:50 [#02139715]
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Apply for those that require experience, and say "I have no experience, but there's no way to get it except for here." Then refer them to the principle of ljubezen.
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rockenjohnny
from champagne socialism (Australia) on 2007-11-01 05:50 [#02139716]
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I'll be 32 or 33 by the time I have my degree. There are people several years older than me in the course as well ..
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tolstoyed
from the ocean on 2007-11-01 05:52 [#02139717]
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i already tried the first part, i didn't included ljubezen which now i see is what i did wrong!
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Raz0rBlade_uk
on 2007-11-01 05:54 [#02139718]
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i want to start something on my own but i really don't know what people want.
i think the technique is to make people think they need something and then sell it to them.
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Drunken Mastah
from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2007-11-01 05:58 [#02139719]
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Then, your best option is to finish or continue your education, even if you're "too old" (NEVER!). Then you can say "I may not have the experience yet, but I have the education, and you'd bee fools not to hire me because I know I can do this!"
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tolstoyed
from the ocean on 2007-11-01 06:05 [#02139723]
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it is silly, but this particular job in my field i was interested in required less education than i have..lots of these jobs i find remotly interesting seems to be about experience..however as i understand it's a common thing around here..people are looking for their jobs for years..it can get quite absurd sometimes. governament is now sort of forcing young people to work in positions no one wants to work at, just to lower the unemployment percent. i remember reading about this girl who finished her masters degree (in education field i think) and she was sent to a position of a cleaning lady at some office for education affairs. yes, we have it like that.
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tolstoyed
from the ocean on 2007-11-01 06:09 [#02139725]
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also, if i could make a choice of what to study again it would be something completly different. i'd probably study to be a proffesional musician.,,no idea whether i'd be good enough to get a job, but if i did it seems like one of those careers you don't have slightest worries in..though maybe it can get annoying after you've practiced the same composition for a 1000 times..i need something with low stress rate and in my field i doubt i'll be able to get that.
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lupus yonderboy
from 1970. (United Kingdom) on 2007-11-01 06:55 [#02139734]
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my work contract ran up last week so i'm now unemployed again which is amazing. I can now sit up till 5 in the morning eagerly awaiting my 'making of tron' torrent and go for walks in the forest with my dog. instead of working 60 hour weeks and coming out with my brain so fried all i can't even remember what people are saying to me. its all bliss till the money runs out. . .
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oxygenfad
from www.oxygenfad.com (Canada) on 2007-11-01 07:15 [#02139736]
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I work for a company that's #15 on the Forbes. I have to fix computers using remote access. When I'm done school I can shoot for Programmer stuff, which pays a lot more.
Ideally I'm shooting for a career in video games or start my own business building personalized point of sales systems and databases for factories and shit.
Programming is easy, the more you know the better for any IT job.
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tolstoyed
from the ocean on 2007-11-01 07:24 [#02139738]
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"I can now sit up till 5 in the morning eagerly awaiting my 'making of tron' torrent and go for walks in the forest with my dog."
HAHA! pretty much what i've been doing these past two years. i love it, but money ran out..
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lupus yonderboy
from 1970. (United Kingdom) on 2007-11-01 08:39 [#02139746]
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ha, yeah i moved back in with my folks to avoid rent for a month or two so i've got some space. my day consists of cycling between the options of Zelda DS> internet> documentaries> music hardware> fridge> toilet. which makes a change from tolerate boss> mindless work> talk to people i'd not choose to> tolerate boss> mindless work> talk to people i'd not choose to> toilet.
unemployment is for the enlightened=]
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Ceri JC
from Jefferson City (United States) on 2007-11-01 08:45 [#02139747]
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I think if you can demonstrate willing to learn and are prepared to take the bottom (or even a bit lower) of the salary band, they will usually be prepared to take you. As DM says, studying (even something not directly related) even if only at nightclass/part time shows you are still willing (and capable) of learning, so they know you will pick the job up quickly.
In slightly happier news, I was nattering with a couple of academics earlier about the sort of work I want to do and they knew of somewhere local looking for exactly that (I didn't know such a role existed in the real world), so hopefully I should have a new job soon! :D
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oyvinto
on 2007-11-01 08:45 [#02139748]
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try the idm stock marked
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iiiiiiiiii
from Gloucester on 2007-11-01 11:53 [#02139817]
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get a manual job. go cut some wood. seriously!
i did some refurbishment work on a massive clock a while back and it was great. really theraputic. you kinda get lost in it.
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Monoid
from one source all things depend on 2007-11-01 11:57 [#02139822]
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[i] marketing related stuff or web design[/i]
You know, I work in a shitty factory in front of a dirty machine, where i do the same boring manual work every fucking day of my fucking life.
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cuntychuck
from Copenhagen (Denmark) on 2007-11-01 12:00 [#02139825]
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gives you time to think, eh?
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Monoid
from one source all things depend on 2007-11-01 12:21 [#02139830]
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Im stupid
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Raz0rBlade_uk
on 2007-11-01 12:48 [#02139839]
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I'm
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CS2x
from London (United Kingdom) on 2007-11-01 12:54 [#02139841]
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That sounds pretty fun!
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epohs
from )C: on 2007-11-01 14:07 [#02139874]
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I'm with you 100%.
Totally dissolutioned, totally burnt out, but can't think of anything better.
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mimi
on 2007-11-01 16:05 [#02139925]
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start a business
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recycle
from Where is Phobiazero (Lincoln) (United States) on 2007-11-01 17:00 [#02139946]
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porn probably
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tolstoyed
from the ocean on 2007-11-01 19:21 [#02140019]
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not sure what procedure is thought of as normal abroad but here you first sent an application and if you're lucky you're invited to an interview. it said the application should be written in short, describing past experience, education, special knowledges.. i never got invited..hell, not even a reply to that application. i have never before applied for a job so maybe to write a good application is the key here..i'll definitelly check out web on how to write proper cvs..
my passiveness is another issue i guess..im not comfortable 'beging' and that probably makes it look like i don't care for the job too much..and i was thinking about it and i figured at least my application will be different to others in that regard..it didn't work obviously haha
starting my own business is definitelly a thing im thinking about a lot..specially because i was never used to fixed schedules and i have lots of other things i need to attend to..career is definitelly not what im looking for..unless it's in something i'd love doing. then i'd be in it with all my heart. but doesn't look too good for that atm
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Ceri JC
from Jefferson City (United States) on 2007-11-02 02:09 [#02140072]
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The formal process is a lot like you describe. You need to ring up/email someone involved in HR/recruiting on a regular basis, every couple of months say. It shows you're keen and they're much more likely to overlook your lack of experience. Giving up when they don't reply sends the message you don't really want the job.
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