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He is over with his master! Celebrate! Hooray! |
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wut ? |
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He is done working with it :D |
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He handed it in! He gave the master-thesis a hand-job! |
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Ceri JC for moderator!!! |
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Congratulations to Ceri! What was the master on, again? You said what it was a while back, but it was something of the sort that I forget easily. |
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It was the two articles: "messageboard trolls in the new millennium: wankshots or mods best friend?" "XLT v2: before or after chinese democracy?" |
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Awesome! I'll take twenty copies! |
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Nice, can I be on the mailing list, $10/Year, right- |
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he got a D |
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Ta mate. Information Security and Computer Crime was the course title. Thesis was on the Data Protection Act 1998. Only the viva left to go and that will be done in under a week. Woohoo. Oyvinto: Nope, either a merit or a distinction. |
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ok. congs man. i did mine in a week or so. lol, worst master ever. |
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Hmm.. what approach do you take to it? Technical, legal, practical or philosophical? ..or any other..? |
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Bit of all 4: My basic view is that it is a good idea and the rights it confers to individuals are a welcome change in a world where the trend is for our freedoms to be stripped away, rather than them being protected by legislation. The problem with it is that even with the UK's (one of the most realistic/easy to comply with) implementation of the EU directive that sparked it all, it's nearly impossible to comply with in a modern business environment, even if you're not intentionally doing anything morally wrong. The 2 main conclusions I reached were: 1. That there needs to be a greater incentive to comply with the act and the recent threat of jailtime is not sufficient on its own. A system whereby you could get certified as having good data protection standards, a bit like the ISO standard mark would benefit everyone. Companies because those who were good would be recognised and could trade on this fact, those who were bad would lose business. Individuals would benefit because companies would take their obligations more seriously (whereas currently compliance is often viewed as a cost without benefits). 2. Better DP practices often have an administrative overhead not present in current systems. At the same time, many of these functions could be largely automated. Automation would not only reduce the workload of those who have to comply with the act, but also make sure that the way they behaved in relation to the DPA was consistant. I'm going to develop this latter idea into a paper for publication. I also talked about the ethics of data mining without consent (thats the philosophical bit). I was actually nattering with the head of a govt. think tank on this subject yesterday and she reckoned that it was moral, which is the view I lean towards. I'm not allowed to discuss the "technical" bits of the project, as this was classified, but there was a fair bit on this. |
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He he. Sounds much better than my "wake up at 4am every morning to do 5 hours on it before work for the last month and a half and work on it every weekend for 3 months" approach. :) |
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Hmm.. the most interesting part of that post, to me, is that you believe your rights are being stripped, and I'd like to understand what you mean by it, but the other stuff, especially the whip/carrot thing with corporations is also quite interesting: I'm taking a class where some of the focus is on intellectual property rights and how they aren't particularly beneficial to developing countries, especially since stuff like medicines and toys are all swept under the same protection regime, leading to poorer real access to medicines for poor people and countries. There's a bit of a debate about whether you need the whip or the carrot, and whether or not the system of patents really is a carrot for research and development, and if it should be enforced throughout the world without taking into consideration which country it is in... there's a lot of stuff to get into there, but no-one has any conclusive evidence as to what helps the most. |
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This might be of interest to you - Irish style. just a bit fucked up. |
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With regard to our rights being stripped: Well, we (in the UK at least) live in a society where surveillance is becoming ever more prevalent, ID cards are needed by kids in schools to get into their classrooms, police are only ever given more powers, never are old ones taken from them. With regard to the whip/carrot: Well, toddlers respond better to carrots than whips, why should CEOs of multinationals be any different? :) Seriously though, good carrots work better than poor whips: The threat of jail time is a poor whip, unless CEOs are regularly winding up in jail. Given the current slack rate of DP prosecutions in criminal (rather than civil) court here, the threat it poses is practically non-existent. A fair number of people don't even realise the law has changed and still think it's only a fine (not their own money, in any event) that they can receive. Consequently, they are extremely resistant to changing their data protection practices if doing so costs them money. A "charter mark" type thing that they can put all over their flyers/software and that their salespeople can bang on about, however, is something they see the point of. They see it as resulting in more sales and if they don't have one, but the competitors do, as losing out. You could even actually have a 2 tier award (say, silver and gold) and actually demand far more stringent practices to achieve gold than you reasonably could demand under law. It'd even pretty much fund itself as the cost of being audited/certified would be born by the companies themselves. |
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Nice! Sounds a bit like our R V Brown case. Essentially an (alleged! *cough*Bollocks*cough*) bent copper moonlighted as a debt collector for a mate (no doubt in uniform and waving his badge about, although this was never claimed/proven). He used the police database system to find out about people who owed debts and their assets (cars, houses, etc.) and then pursued them. Due to a retarded technicallity regarding the definition of the word 'use', he got away scott free, despite clearly being guilty of a (moral) crime. |
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Well, considering the evidence (whips & carrots), what you say is a guess at best, and the way I see it, the lack of conclusive evidence points towards a pragmatic solution: You can't use the same thing for all companies and for all things; what may be appropriate in one case, could be inappropriate in another. At the same time, it is not desirable to have the sort of American system where everything is tried by courts, because once a court has ruled, it becomes, as the word hints, a rule, once again making it applicable across the line. |
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It's not a guess, it's based on my research. The current attitude in industry to DP-matters is generally this: 1) It's expensive and generally a ball ache to comply. 2) No one ever gets prosecuted for this, why should I spend time and money on making sure what we are doing is right. It's true that some organisations choose to have meaningful, detailed DP-compliance audits carried out voluntarily (I don't have exact figures, but an educated guess would place it at less than 1%), but even then, they very rarely correct the really expensive/time consuming faults (see point 2 above). Remember my political bias, I am not some anti-capitalist lefty who disingenuously assumes the worst of companies by default. I came to this conclusion for a reason. |
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I agree with you re: the tried by the courts aspect. It just doesn't work with DP law for some reason. You get the most ludicrous unjust outcomes, which then go on to form precedent so the whole thing just gets more and more fuckwitted as time rolls on. You even get normally quite sensible legal commentators infering all sort of stupid and unrelated things from the rulings and saying, "oh, so that means this completely unrelated, nothing to do with the original case, is allowed." I suspect it's something to do with the vast majority of them not coming from a computing background and not really understanding what is going on at a row/column level within the database (without which, IMO, you aren't really qualified to speak as an authority on DP law- this was another thing I identified in my work). Fortunately our Information Commissioners so far have been pretty sound and they have a rather unique/powerful position where they can basically override all this nonsense and give the official interpretation which about 95% of the time, I agree with. |
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Anyway, enough of this DP bollocks, I've had months of that. I want to get my crunk up. w00t! |
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Sound like you two need to get laid, with or w/out each other |
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Gf is ill at the moment. Any chance you can help? |
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She was ok last night :) O'snap. |
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I thought she was a long time in the toilet at that chinese restaurant we were in... |
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She got ill from a chinese restaurant? bummer, send her my condolences mate- |
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No, we think it was from a family member, too soon after chinese to be food poisoning. |
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it can happen within 24 hours, or there is a lot of that going on over the pond as well, i was ill for about 3 days |
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This was more like 2 hours. I also had all the same as her as we shared everything we ordered (lobster, yum!) and I'm fine. Still, even if it were, I don't think I'll launch any lawsuit against them, it's a Triad run place. :) |
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Congrats, it's a lot of hard work, that will pay off :D Cha ching ! |
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Whats a Triad run place- |
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It's owned by the Triads (chinese mafia) and they use it to launder money. I don't even have to say "allegedly" as they were busted for it a couple of years back. :D Ta oxygenfad! |
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Yes, but I was saying you can't apply the same remedy across the line because generally, the broader the study, the less obvious it is what is the best way of resolving the issue. I'm not shitting on your data or research or anything (god forbid, when someone has actually done any research to back up what they say for once, it should be shat upon), I'm just saying everything I've read on the subject (albeit within the area of intellectual property rights) says there's no simple conclusion to draw from the data. But I'll let you rest your mental faculties, and, once again, congratulate you on finishing your thesis! |
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Ta mate. |
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congs! :) |
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Thansk ;) |
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big congs |
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Oh yeah, update, I got a distinction. |
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