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[question] Gaming on a 42 inch LCD tv
 

offline CS2x from London (United Kingdom) on 2007-10-15 04:06 [#02132472]
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Sorry for this very stupid question on big LCD tvs and
games...

I've just got an LG 42LC55 42 inch LCD, and while the tv
itself looks big and lovely and everything, I've tried out a
couple of PS2 games on it (using an RGB cable) and they look
appalling. It's not a case of it just being a bigger tv than
I'm used to, making the game image appear stretched -
there's some really weird pixelation going on - and I've
tried all sorts of screen ratios and image settings.

I have a feeling that I'm missing something really obvious
about these large HD tvs and using them to play older
consoles that don't support the HD stuff. Perhaps I'll need
to get an H.D dvd player and a Xbox360 in order for things
to look at least acceptable on this thing?

Forgive my ignorance...



 

offline swift_jams from big sky on 2007-10-15 04:26 [#02132478]
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I've seen this with HD screens. Some shows (usually older
ones that have not been formatted, also some games/devices)
will look like they have terrible artifacts on the screen
and it's slightly misshapen or squished. Is this what you
mean?

I'm not sure about the problem, but I can feel your pain.


 

offline CS2x from London (United Kingdom) on 2007-10-15 04:29 [#02132479]
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Yes, that's a good description of what's going on...


 

offline swift_jams from big sky on 2007-10-15 04:37 [#02132481]
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I think it's all in the formatting. Is there a display
formatting section in the reference manual?


 

offline Drunken Mastah from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2007-10-15 05:50 [#02132513]
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It's because LCD, as opposed to CRT, only has one
resolution. All other content is scaled to fit that
resolution by some internal computer in the screen.
Consequently, only content with the same resolution as your
screen (720p) will be displayed correctly. This, and the
contrast level, is what makes LCD screens suck.


 

offline sheffieldbleep from Sheffield (United Kingdom) on 2007-10-15 05:56 [#02132514]
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try a VGA cable rather than RGB otherwise what Drunken
Mastah said


 

offline Joyrex from watmm.com (United States) on 2007-10-15 07:45 [#02132548]
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Using Component (red, green, blue RCA-style connectors) is
the best visual output you're going to get from a PS2. Make
sure first of all that the PS2 itself is set to widescreen
display (16:9) - this can be done by booting up the PS2 with
the lid open or no game inside to get to the setup menu, and
the output is set to Y'PbPr so it matches the cable you're
using. If your LCD has a digital optical input, use a
digital optical cable from the PS2 to the LCD or your home
theatre receiver for pure digital audio.

Secondly, try changing the resolution on your LCD - my LG
autodetects what the input resolution is, and some games
(like Gran Tursimo 4, God of War II, etc. support 480p
resolution (GT4 actually supports 1080i!), so check your
game manuals for those features or search online.

Lastly, don't expect HD-quality visuals - the PS2 is only
480i standard, and on any display that upscales the visuals,
it will look a bit more pixelated than what you were used to
seeing on your traditional SDTV.


 

offline Drunken Mastah from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2007-10-15 07:48 [#02132554]
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You can't change the resolution of your LCD. You can pretend
to, but it will just increase/decrease the size of each
element displayed (like if you have a computer with an LCD,
you can change the resolution, but the result is only that
your icons and text will get bigger/smaller, and you'll most
likely get artefacts). What your TV does, isn't about
changing resolution, but it's about telling it what the
input signal is, so that it can scale the picture
"correctly."


 

offline Laserbeak from Netherlands, The on 2007-10-15 09:01 [#02132643]
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maybe your tv lacks interpolation when upscaling to the
native resolution, that would explain blocks and also
distortions if it's not exactly double the
source-resolution. maybe there is an upscaler device for
your situation


 

offline CS2x from London (United Kingdom) on 2007-10-15 16:54 [#02132958]
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Thank you for your helps, sirs. I will look into things. I
think component cables rather than RGB ones would be a good
start!


 

offline Drunken Mastah from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2007-10-15 17:51 [#02132968]
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er?

Component is RGB. Component is the three cables with
red, green and blue, and then you can also have white
(sometimes black) and red for sound. Composite is when you
have only one, usually yellow, for image (plus the two for
sound). A SCART is a huge (usually) black block thing with
lots of small pins in it, and S-Video is small and round,
much like what a PS2 keyboard or mouse would look like. Then
there's HDMI, which looks kind of like a larger USB.


 

offline ecnadniarb on 2007-10-15 17:56 [#02132971]
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Unless by RGB he means RGB over scart...although I think you
are right in that he means composite.

Anyway my recommendation is get a PS3 and connect over HDMI.
It does a very good job of upscaling PS2 titles even onto my
1080p set.


 

offline Indeksical from Phobiazero Damage Control (United Kingdom) on 2007-10-15 18:09 [#02132975]
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hahaha that comes across as so condescending!


 

offline ecnadniarb on 2007-10-15 18:12 [#02132978]
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Especially when component isn't always RGB :)


 

offline CS2x from London (United Kingdom) on 2007-10-15 20:11 [#02133017]
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Ah, thank you. I think I must have been getting composite
and component mixed up. :-S

The only ones I've tried with the PS2 is the large black
scart one and the composite (red, white, yellow.) I guess
I'll have to give component a try. Or just save some money
and get a PS3; I suppose MGS4 would make me feel a bit
better for forking out the money when I really just want to
make Rez, Okami, Ico and Silent Hill 2 look nice a pretty on
the new tv.


 

offline Princess Die from Dublin (Ireland) on 2007-10-15 20:40 [#02133025]
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Did you get a new TV? What type is it?


 

offline Zephyr Twin from ΔΔΔ on 2007-10-15 20:42 [#02133026]
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listen to our good friend ecnad, Playstation 3 + HDMI is the
best solution for your old PS2 games. Unfortunately, the PS2
hardware itself is now obsolete. :(

If you can't afford the $600 dollars for a PS3, then I
suppose you're sorted with drunken mastah's advice. :)


 

offline CS2x from London (United Kingdom) on 2007-10-15 20:45 [#02133028]
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A steam powered 10 inch screened sex-rat fuckvision.


 

offline CS2x from London (United Kingdom) on 2007-10-15 20:47 [#02133030]
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Oh, and unfortunately I didn't buy it, I was given it by
somebody who didn't want it anymore, she was not.


 


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