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which one are you in favour of? what do you think why dubstep and grime are so much more popular nowdays than jungle? can they help jungle get more recognition? |
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Jungle is the best ever. Theres hardly any jungle nights any more :(. I think dubstep and grime are more popular now simply because theyre 'cool' and 'fresh' and 'new' and 'funky'. Kids are fickle and dance music has a lot of posturing and posing around it. Dubstep and grime have managed to be taken up by all the 13-17 year olds who love to make out their hot shit. Jungles just had its day. |
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well, imho dubstep and grime will share the same fate as d&b. it will be edgy for a couple of years but after that it will become formulatic crap. it already is actually. look at the things that are released in d&b today. and go back to the year 2000. No progression whatsoever. Dubstep is quite young. but look at the amount of releases. it's huge. Every dubstep track that is made also gets released. you can have a 2 note bassline go on for 5 minutes and boomkat will still call it "ESSENTIAL". I am talking about the "pure" dubstep though. people like milanese do interesting things with it. even snares is doing dubstep appearantly. |
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I agree with you about the progression of dub step and it heading in a similar direction to drum and bass. It seems almost like a certainty with the output that is being churned out at the moment. |
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but is it going to be as influental as jungle was? can electronic scene get something out of dubstep? i don't think so and that's one big difference compared to jungle. |
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i do like some dubstep. but imho it's very overrated. it's more about the production of your bass (ie how heavy can I get it), then it is about the music itself: melody, composition (which allot of dubstep simply doesn't have). |
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I think theres very little to gain from dubstep as, like isnieZot theres not much to it in the first place. Perhaps if someone out there can develop the formula and produce something that is actually vital listening then the rest of the community will follow but it seems unlikely from a genre that is pretty much one big pissing contest. |
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I'm sure people in 1993 were saying "There's no electrofunk nights anymore, it's just all this trendy jungle shit." |
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I like dubstep. In a year we'll see Madonna recording dubstep-influenced record. Our Queen of Re-Invention! You'll see... :D Uhm, anyone of you guys heard about "ravestep"? What is it? |
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Youre probably right. I suppose its just a natural progression. I'm sure the people who love dubstep are seeing something in it that im missing. |
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are you saying there's still hope we may get something interesting out of dubstep? |
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I havent listened to it though. |
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20 minutes in and it seems pretty bland. |
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the circus starts again. its just about digging the good things untill they get old and boring. |
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They're all wank. No depth, rushed together, music for chavs. They all recycle the same samples over and over again the people who make it must be dick heads. |
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you are a fat bastard. |
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cool avatar. |
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lame imho. |
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simple music for simple people |
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Dubstep wins. I like it more than I ever liked DnB/Jungle (although there was a time I really liked that too). |
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which is exactly why we want to know this other genius music that you have up your sleeves. |
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The best music is CLASSIC ROCK. Everyone who likes other music needs a punch in the head. Me and my friends were at a Kiss reunion concert and we saw this guy who wasn't ROCKING OUT so we fucking punched him in the head. Fucked him up good. *slams fist into palm* |
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Every genre spawns another. Jungle wasn't born overnight. It was the result of people getting pissed off at old skool hardcore becoming cheesy, with producers trying to aim for a darker sound. It is clear that it was influenced from everything from rave, hip-hop, dub, reggae, breaks etc... Dubstep is just another route taken. The difference is, I don't think there are many roads after it. It is doing well and I enjoy quite a few of the releases, but the people who keep it raw and original (skream, burial, dm etc...) are far outweighed by generic artists pushing the same old shite. Jungle progressed into DNB, which then slipped into the coffee shop abyss. As dubstep becomes more popular, it will no doubt suffer the same fate. Johnny Average needs things accessible and watered down. In its current state, dubstep is just too rough. But give it a few years and the coffee shops will have their way. |
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In its current state, dubstep is just too rough. But give it a few years and the coffee shops will have their way. Various Productions? :) I like it, but it is quite coffee table. |
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I have nothing up my sleeve but I do think the said genres are completely without talent. Why drag the same samples out again. Haven't we seen enough reggae/dub variants? Woo lets use the same breaks and old school cuts but slow it down a bit and call it dubstep. |
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Sounds like you've heard a few bad tracks and are generalising on the back of them. Most of the good dubstep tracks don't contain samples that have been used much (if at all) before and very few actually use cut up breaks (they drum lines are usually written from scratch with single hit samples). A fair bit of dubstep doesn't even sound particularly dubby and sounds more like minimal techno than dub. |
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When I listen to the tectonic plates album all I think of is vauxhall corsa's, chavs, burbury clad cunts and general low intelligence. I can see them on the dancefloor with their caps & XL tracksuits smoking their joints swaying like a bunch of utter pricks. |
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If you mean dubstep getting weighed down with all the formulaic bukem-lite stuff, bad jazzy tinkling and "world music" etc then i dunno, there’s a lot of cheese about already (think caspa - cockney flute, fair bit of l-wiz’s stuff) but as long as it’s underpinned by something deep and nasty enough i’ll probably like it. Can’t exactly see dubstep being played in wine bars… most tracks sound like wank with no low end - why would anyone start making watered-down subless tracks? I mean it’s built for big, big systems, half the effort is getting that bass weight sounding right, it’d just be a contradiction in terms… Fair point about it being a bit of a dead end, though – it already takes so many influences from elsewhere, kind of hard to see where it could go from here. Will be a slow process, i guess. I think a lot of the dark 2-steppy stuff from a few years back sounds more “futuristic” anyway if that doesn’t sound too stupid. Jungle went to shit when the 90% of producers started ignoring bass, imo. Fuck you, pendulum. |
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Jungle went to shit when the 90% of producers started ignoring bass, imo. Fuck you, pendulum. Ha ha, so true: 'Drum and midrange mono synth masquerading as bass'. |
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jungle music always changes with new crops of producers that come up, look at guys like limewax, fanu, macc etc also, it's variation becomes more precise as more is being done it's definitely not all the same, although the differences aren't as readily apparent to some listeners. all music that requires a certain amount of knowledge about the genre has this problem. there are some staples to the genre, breakbeats, bass... but there are instruments in any genre, listen carefully |
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Well said . New producers like Prode (tech ) Phace (neuro) Current Value (breakcore) keep changing the game up. If you have a bit of interest in digging further you'l see the genre isn't dead at all. As for dubstep goes i really do hope it does evolve into something great .Right now it bores the hell out of me. I agree with Belb that the older steppier stuff is way cooler. |
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