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To some, this is old news. To others, it is grave news that could shatter their very existence. Erm... Anyway, I bought the new Jean Michel Jarre album, and could swear I recognized bits of it from a fiddle with the pretty MC808 at a music shop from a few months prior to the purchase of this stunning album. It turns out Mr.Jarre literally just took preset patterns made by various other musicians for the MC808, changed a few sounds here and there, added the odd solo, and called it "Teo and Tea!" Cry-time, child-boy. Unfortunately, that video doesn't show you the original Teo and Tea clips, but rest assured, the album tracks are IDENTICALL. |
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that's strange. he must be on drugs. |
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this video does show the originals |
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why is it that i uncontrollably dislike the track Teo & Tea |
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Thanks. Woah, he CHANGED THE KEY in Chatterbox! |
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It's still better than some of the crap on Les Chants Magnetiques. |
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come on - b12 are using presets from drumatic vst - a freeware drumsynth - now that's something that shaterred me |
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It's weird, that sort of thing really shatters me, too, but lots of people seem to say that it doesn't matter, providing the music is good. But it does matter, damnit! I'm can't explain why, but it does. In this kind of music, the joys of listening stem from the sound design and programming and stuff. If the musician in question hasn't actually done much of that, then, well, that's a bit annoying. |
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don't talk nonsense, mister |
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I think it matters. It's like someone claiming they painted a picture, when really all they did was apply some photoshop filters to a photograph. |
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maybe he conceived as a song made entirely with hardware presets? |
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Jarre's newest stuff is shit. End of. Chronologie was at the fringes, but everything since then has been dire. The man lost his way. Sadly. |
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presets are cool |
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Some of you may be jumping to conclusions here. Not sure you know this, but Jarre has a long working relationship with Roland, and was given prototypes of both the latest SH version and the MC808 Groovebox before their release. Additionally, one of the programmers hired for the new album is Tim Huifken, one of the original programmers of the MC808. Both he and Jarre is credited as MC808 programmers in the T&T booklet, and they did work on the album before the MC808 came out. There are strong indicators that Jarre and Huifken collaborated to put something into to the MC808, so while this is not confirmed by Jarre yet, you are all jumping to conclusions in this chicken-and-egg situation. If you check out the newest SH box (dont recall the number right now) there are presets there provided by Jarre, so it's unlikely that the same thing is impossible for the MC808. |
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to be quite honest T&T was bad. I love Fresh News and Chatterbox, but the rest has all been done before. Like no-one else has thought about recording an orgasm and putting that on track before!!! Saw this on a Jarre forum, JMJ could've made the presets himself as he does endorse Roland a lot now, but I would'nt be suprised if it was preprogrammed presets. |
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Futureimage, the whole album tells a narrative story about two people in love, that's why there are orgasms. Note how this track is in the beginning of the album, which symbolises the beginning of a relationship, where sparks fly. It's not there to be innovative, but to tell the story. |
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at first i would really want to say: shame on you. i mean what the fuck? it's about that music right? so you licked jarre before and now you don't? pathetic. that's the same like my ex-gf loved skalpel and dj shadow until i told her that they where using samples - you know from one second to the other. the second thing is that this is actually no proof at all - three movies on youtube you get it? YOUTUBE. besides one post beneath this movie was quite good - maybe he actually did those presets for them? seriously you guys. |
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I heard Beethoven used the presets on his pianoforte when he composed his piano sonatas; that kind of cheating is like claiming to have painted a picture when you just photoshopped an existing picture. Fraud. |
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that's quite an interesting story, but still i find this release weak for the way it sounds. It does nothing to me really, there are no real points that pull me in directly from the first listen, which normally happens instantly to me. Maybe it's the "new-age" "generic" approach he applied? |
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There's a marked difference between using preset single hit sounds and using patterns IMO (if that is what is being suggested here- I've not heard the Jarre work, so can't comment on that). |
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If I made a bunch of presets for a piece of equipment, and then was criticized for using those presets on my album, I would get pretty pissed off about that. |
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We know for a fact that Jarre gave Roland patches for the new SH-whatsit'sname while it was a prototype (and I saw a Roland promo video recorded in JMJs studio a year ago), so why not also contribute to the MC808? Keep in mind that Roland's MC808-programmer Tim Huifken *worked* with JMJ and is credited in the album for "Groovebox special programming" - not just programming in general but SPECIAL programming. Just read the booklet. |
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http://www.rolandus.com/products/productdetails.aspx?Object Id=769 Click on the downloads link; the SH-201 with custom JMJ patches. |
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Orgasms in tracks? Sounds shit and embarrassing... |
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not only a shit album, but a shit "concept" album, great |
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Yes, I know that, that also brings up another thing that I disagree with. I don't see why JMJ has to make a whole album out of a relationship with Anne Parillaud. I find it a bit corny and embarassing to be honest, especially when the orgasms are Anne's herself. It's flying in the face of Charlotte Rampling and Isabel Adjani a bit surely. I don't mind if he uses presets, Chatterbox and Fresh News are great, it's just that I think he's done a lot better. Oxy 7-13, Metamorphoses and Aero are brilliant albums. I know he's trying something different, but maybe he should've spent a little more time on it. |
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Corny? Ok, the album is about love in general, and how people (in general) are seeking love. It's not about him and Anne, but surely inspired by his marriage 2 years ago. I dont think making an album about the concept of love is strange at all, as it's the most universal theme possible, and everyone writes love songs all the time! Everyone! Why not also JMJ, but his angle is a little different on this album. It's not a rosy red teen story. As far as the orgasms go, they are of course acted by his actress wife, but it has been 10 years since he divorced Charlotte so at one point he and she should be over that period and get on with their lives. As far as Isabelle goes, she wasnt a very nice lady, to put it mildy. I cant see how JMJ owe it to all his old wives and dates to not do anything sexual on his albums. I agree it's not a very good album. But it has a concept (that is not as "intelligent" as other albums, but still valid) and is not empty in terms of ideas. Let me quote Jarre from 1989, and I think this is 90% exactly what he said, on the question what he wants to achieve in his music; "I want to express in my music the very same things as any other musician or composer, from any culture and any time, be it a classical baroque composer or a stone age caveman banging two rocks together or a Chinese flutist.... and that is feelings and ideas of love, desire, ambitions, beauty... universal themes that is inherit in man". I think that was a humble thing to say. He does not want to be bigger or different than anyone else, sort of. So there you have it.... Teo & Tea is simply Jarre's first love album, and why not.... hehe |
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I think I'm gonna puke... Shit, I just did. |
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Okay, I see your point, but anybody could just get a bunch of preset patterns of a groove-drum-machine thing, add a few bits here and there, and claim it's theirs. There's no imagination or musicality in that, dear sir child-man. |
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his point is that he wrote the presets |
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how do you know that for sure? |
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Jarre can eat my shit. |
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I know, but he hasn't been credited by Roland for doing them, and there's no evidence he had anything to do with them except for the fact he did some stuff for another model. |
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Maybe the arrangement he has with them was, "I'll do some presets for you, if I can pass some of your presets off as my own material and you won't sue me for it." ? :P For all the people who have an intellect that doesn't compare favourably to that of a sparrow, this is a joke. |
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Yeah, sure, to him it's a good idea but I'm just saying it's alienated me a bit. I don't dislike Jarre as a person anymore for it, I just think he's done much better work in recent years. I'd love to hear a continuation of his IDM stuff like Body Language, that really would be a new direction at least for him. |
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you're right, but his latest musac is shit squared |
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Sorry to have to put you all in a "I told you so" situation, but it has now been confirmed that Jarre actually created those patterns for Roland, so if you ask what came first - the chicken or the egg - in this case it was Jarre who came first. Jarre explained through Aero Productions (his management), as relayed to a Jarre fan site, the following: =========== Jean Michel Jarre explained that he entered into a partnership with Roland Japan last year, to collaborate with and contribute to demos, patterns and presets for their future products. Jean Michel Jarre explained that the Roland MC808 was one of these products, therefore it is not surprising that certain elements of his NEW 'TÉO & TÉA' Album appear on the Roland MC808, or any other recent Roland product for that matter. =========== Feel free to post this on other forums. |
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Glenn told you so ! |
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