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, 8mb or so finally got a recording interface so i can grab shit from my micromod and sps-1, heres a mashup of shit i did this afternoon sounds sorta good i think. maybe? |
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I'll listen to this tomorrow. |
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I really really shouldn't have listened to it. Now I know 120% that I need a Machinedrum. Anyone selling theirs for a rediculously cheap price? |
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that's wicked that, not that there isn't some other decent option but there is just NO OPTION AT ALL against the machinedrum. i mean is there any drum machine that would offer you just 1/10 of those options? cool sounds cygnus - i love those high pitched crackles throughout it. the ending is dope. just those high-hats piss me off a little bit. |
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I thought, the little clicks at the start, surely the Korg ER-1 can do that. Thing is, it actually can't. It has two sounds, hard hitting DUMPH DUMPH DUMPH DUMPH rave sounds or soft electro I'm a robot sounds. It can't do complex synthesis. Argh. |
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you know the weird thing is that after so many years companies still try to get the 909/808 sounds like this would be the only kit in the world to use. only yamaha with their an-200 and dx-200 with fm synthesis rocked hard but are now very hard to get because when someone already has it he just won't let it go. i'm so sicken tired of those two drum sets - i always try to make my drums sound as interesting and different as possible. as i couldn't find a drumbox that would fit me (the sps-1 is to far away when it comes to costs) i started to go into software - and there - the same shit 909/808. reaktor 5 users try to make the best emulations instead of coming up with new ideas. |
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Google "Drumatic", yes it is slightly TR based, but it can do some pretty interesting things VST wise. I'm resorting more to using full synths for my drum sounds both in software and hardware (the Alesis Ion is great for drums). clicky with the ER-1, turned into a kinda track. The bass arp is my microKorg fed with the ER-1s MIDI notes giving it a semi random feel. The lead/drone is my Alesis Ion fed thru my Numark EM260's Kaoss Pad. |
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those clicky sounds are quite interesting. sounds like autechre 2001 live at the very beginning of their set :P tell me how do you liek your ion? i'm thinking of getting a micron for myself. |
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IMO the Alesis Ion is the BEST VA going around at the moment for sound, price, control, etc. I bought my Ion for £400. I don't know how well the Micron compares (obviously it has less control) but it DOES have a drum sequencer that the Ion doesn't! |
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the micron has the same engine - besides you can change most parameters from pc editors - there are a few floating on the net. that's even better for me - i like it more to use it like a micro modular you know - making patches at home and using those 3 knobs on stage for the most important features. besides i can use my diy midibox for additional tweaking. the thing that bothers me - how is the sound compared to the microkorg? especially when it comes to "fatness", greasy basses etc. the thing is - the only thing that i would use a hardware synth for are fat bass leads. i mean i intensively used two synths until now - the novation x-station and the waldorf microwave xt (sitting now right besides me) - the thing is - the waldorf should actually be more interesting soundwise because it has jsut much more options and a much more complicated soundflow. but the thing is that i hate it - it's based on wavetables so it sounds far from analog - the filters start to scream at high resonance rates but in a digital way, distorted. and when playing at really low pitches, you can hear the aliasing coming in. the x-station being much simpler just caught me with it's fat bass sounds and those dirty filters. i mean now there are so many good software emulations floating on the net that can emulate nearly everything and doing it very good - just look at the new ni massive with it's wavetable design (i hate that soft btw.) - it sounds more raw, more lush than the waldorf will ever. but now emulation will give me the fatness of a good synth with some good filters. so summing up - the only thing that i need a synth for is fat bass sounds. - i know - the microkorg has it - does the ion/micron too ? |
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hahaha I find that the mK is very very very weak compared to the Ion. I think the only sound I really go to the mK for now are pads. It's good at those. I probably don't use the Ion for them just because there isn't an easy to find simple pad preset hehe. To be honest I think you should get the Ion instead of the Micron. I find the live control very important. I guess it depends on your uses, etc. etc. Also, check out the Micron's multitimbrality and polyphony, they should be the same to the Ion, but just check. |
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Thats still an opinion. I put my micro q against your ION and the ION will get pwned. |
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You are right tho. The MicroKorg sucks when stacked beside the Ion. The only thing the Micron Doesn't have from the Ion is the realtime controllers, but it has the sequencer/drum machine that the ion doesn't have. |
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at the end of the day, synthesizer preferences are just that - preferences who gives a fuck if someone's MD will kick the shit out of an ER-1, or Micro-Q will anally fuck an Ion? the point is, if you like the sound of it, and you put it to good use then that's all that matters even though i have some gear, i know that there's people on this board that kick the shit out of me in terms of what they can do. lets all just remember that gear preference and "which is the best" is subjective just like time :) so how are we all finding it living in 1984? |
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Your just defensive because of the Microkorg comments. :P |
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But a micro q can anally fuck an Ion, due to its extremely complex modulation routings, combing filters, and wavetables (and very high quality analogue modeling oscillators). The Ion will kick the life out of a microkorg strictly on its ability to do physical modeling, three oscilators and sophisticated filter types. My Moog will rape the shit out of any of them because its awesome. |
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i'm not being defensive at all honey-bun if i were i'd have said something along the lines of "you r teh suX0r, microKORG rulz all, i'm 1337 and ur 5|-|337" but no, i said what i mean - gear is a preference. just like anything else. hurrah for diversity! |
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Gear is not a preference. Its a way of life. |
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my 808 is the rhythm of life |
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imho the microwave xt is owned by every synth that i had my hands on still being a german product, orange, having encoders, a few genious inventions in it. why ? - the filters, the volume of the line-out and the digital sound of it. |
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could you maybe post a few samples from the ion/micron and the microkorg which in your opinion show the real "soul" of them and are complex or at least use a lot of the gear? the problem is - i would really want to have one of those but i couldn't find a store where i could try them live :| |
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futureimage: you can get any sound out of the machinedrum that you can imagine.. for layering you can only have one trig position, but if you use the sequencer and hit stop->start you can layer as many sounds as you want, create really deep sounds.. i can't wait until i have a monomachine. |
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I'm sorely tempted to get an ion. The main factor stopping me is that I don't have room for it. I really think it would slot in very nicely with my evolver desktop. I get so annoyed with the monophony of the evolver sometimes, 8 note would be lovely. I think my setup would be complete with an ion: mpc1000 evolver desktop akai s5000 sampler decks and records 4 octave midi keyboard outboard fx and stuff. to keep it on topic, I wouldn't touch the sps-1 with a barge pole..I'd much rather get the little sid box thingy. all together now. blleeep blooop bee dee dooo daaaah bleeep blooop bllaaah |
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Agreed. While I respect the SPS-1 for its sequencing power, I do not really feel it would sonically fit into my setup at all. However, the monomachine is a different story altogether. Depending on what you want to make, I might suggest one of those 6 voice DCO synths that were so popular to compliment your setup instead of an ION. All depending on what you want to make. The Ion is so finicky when it comes to sequencing its parameters, you might as well not have them. |
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you can do way more than bleepy/clicky stuff, you can make any percussive hit you want. i promise. |
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Honestly, I would rather have an 808 than anything right now. Next up would be the XBase 09 |
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you gotta play with one man, its brutal you live in egypt now???? :( |
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Naw. Tuat is the land of the dead. Its me being cryptic and mysterious. Cower at the foot of my mystery. |
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i'm cowering :( |
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Good. Its just with the machine drum, every sample I have heard from every user has had very well done sequencing, but the sounds have always been a bit thinner than I like. However, I have been very impressed with the monomachine. |
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You wanna give me £800? Haha I know, I really really really want one. I'll try and get round to some demos soon of the Ion and mK, might do a video actually seeing as a few people want an mK vid on YouTube. |
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There is a reason nobody has posted a MK vid on youtube. |
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which is ? |
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Because it doesn't sound very good. You'll find the equipment that is interesting will have lots of videos (look for machine drum or 777 videos and you will see what I mean). Even the micron has a good amount of videos on youtube. |
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Well, that said, I actually tried to find a microkorg video on youtube and there are plenty. So you can try there to see what they sound like. |
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I think I need to explain why I can't stand the microkorg so much. The sounds it makes are pretty much of the same calibre as most of those free VST plugins you can get on the internet. Thats fine. But with hardware, you should come to expect something interfacewise if it brings you exactly what you can get on a computer. And the microkorg has a very poor interface. Matrix programing with half-action minikeys. |
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I'll leave now, and let Cygnus have his machinedrum thread back. (sorry!) |
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i will have to find a store with both synths. maybe berlin ? |
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Maybe you can place an add in Craigslist to see if someone will be kind enough to let you see theirs? |
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one moment - quick question - is it still affordable to buy a nord rack 1 ? there is one for 250 dollars in a local add - looks good. maybe i could barter to 220 or so... |
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Well, thats the thing about VA. The prices rarely go up. |
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Maybe look into tracking down a nord micromod. |
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thought about that but those are not to find in poland and i just cancelled my german ebay acount because my acount was abused by hackers a few times. sheesh i'm not made for hardware i guess - too much choosing. |
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Yes, I understand the ION uses NRPNs which is a bit of a bummer. Its nice and cheap now though, hence my attraction to it. What are these DCO synths you're on about? Juno? |
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Here are just a few. Most of these will end up costing you less than an ION, and are analogue, instead of polite VA. Roland Juno 6/60/106 Roland JX3p/JX8p Korg Poly800 Korg DW8000 (not DCO, digital waveforms, but analogue filters) Korg Polysix Korg Poly61 Oberheim Matrix 6 Kawai SX240 Sequential Six Trak |
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I got my Ion for £400 from Turnkey. I'm trying to get a video I made last night of the Ion doing some strange feedback synthesis using the FM and sync functions up on Youtube. It should be up by tonight, but if you're desperate to see it, my username's "futureimage" on Youtube. |
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