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sheffieldbleep
from Sheffield (United Kingdom) on 2007-05-25 07:00 [#02087426]
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http://live.popforge.de/
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Indeksical
from Phobiazero Damage Control (United Kingdom) on 2007-05-25 07:13 [#02087430]
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Firefox won't let me upgrade Flash or Shockwave :(
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marlowe
from Antarctica on 2007-05-25 07:20 [#02087432]
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Fun, though it won't accent my beatz.
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ijonspeches
from 109P/Swift-Tuttle on 2007-05-25 08:12 [#02087465]
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try holding shift
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ijonspeches
from 109P/Swift-Tuttle on 2007-05-25 08:24 [#02087471]
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you can also drag and drop the banks
the creator plans to make 202 and 303 aswell
saving or recording function would be great
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marlowe
from Antarctica on 2007-05-25 08:37 [#02087473]
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Yeah, totally - hopefully they'll add a 303 too, so you can jam with that - like an online ReBirth.
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sheffieldbleep
from Sheffield (United Kingdom) on 2007-05-25 08:40 [#02087474]
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that is great news. Be nice to see the 202 emulated.
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Brisk
from selling smack at the orphanage on 2007-05-25 09:31 [#02087491]
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funfun!
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vveerrgg
from life (Canada) on 2007-05-25 09:41 [#02087493]
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awesome... i love the 909
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futureimage
from buy FIR from Juno (United Kingdom) on 2007-05-25 10:27 [#02087510]
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yay!
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Fah
from Netherlands, The on 2007-05-25 10:31 [#02087512]
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haha wicked
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chaosmachine
from Ottawa (Canada) on 2007-05-25 19:02 [#02087645]
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it seems to stutter a bit..
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oscillik
from the fires of orc on 2007-05-25 19:19 [#02087649]
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the sounds aren't acurate at all
the bass drum has a decay that's almost 808-like
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Sano
on 2007-05-25 22:05 [#02087666]
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It stutters a lot on my system.
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_gvarek_
from next to you (Poland) on 2007-05-26 03:18 [#02087698]
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I would like a vst plugin like this
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Sano
on 2007-05-26 04:24 [#02087703]
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DRUMAZON
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_gvarek_
from next to you (Poland) on 2007-05-26 04:27 [#02087704]
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I was hoping for a response like that, thansk.
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Ceri JC
from Jefferson City (United States) on 2007-05-27 04:49 [#02087888]
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Agreed. I can't understand why no one has done a really good 202/101 emulator in software yet. A few things (certain patches in Vaz modular, certain patches in Muon Tau Pro) come close/overlap the sound palette a bit, but there isn't really an accurate direct emulation (with all the limitations of the original) of either.
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Taxidermist
from Black Grass on 2007-05-27 06:40 [#02087930]
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I am going to say it. The 909 sounds brittle and characterless. I don't care who wants to set me on fire now. I have said it.
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Ceri JC
from Jefferson City (United States) on 2007-05-27 14:30 [#02088042]
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The 909 in general, or just this emulation of it?
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Taxidermist
from Black Grass on 2007-05-28 00:14 [#02088208]
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The 909 itself.
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furoi
from Udine (Eriko Sato's undies) (Italy) on 2007-05-28 12:44 [#02088365]
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nice!
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oscillik
from the fires of orc on 2007-05-28 13:28 [#02088377]
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character (plural characters)
1. A being involved in the action of a story. 2. A symbol used to represent a sound or a word. 3. A distinguishing feature; characteristic; A complex of mental and ethical traits marking a person or a group.
4. A moral strength. "You may not like to eat liver," said Calvin's father, "but it builds character."
5. A person with many notable or eccentric features. 6. (mathematics) A complex number representing an element of a finite Abelian group.
7. (computing) One of the basic elements making up a text file or string: a code representing a printing character or a control character. Synonymous with byte in some environments.
i, and many others would attest to the generally accepted belief that the 909 has an unmistakable sound, hence has character
welcome to humanity! the right to express opinions! yay for the world!
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Taxidermist
from Black Grass on 2007-05-28 13:46 [#02088384]
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Ok. Having no character was my nice way of saying it sounds boring. I like the 808, but the 909 sounds dull and lifeless in comparison.
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oscillik
from the fires of orc on 2007-05-28 13:50 [#02088387]
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oh, i see what you mean now
when i got my 909 i thought it'd be my favorite, but i was very wrong
the 808 does have much more "juice" to it
i wouldn't say it's sound is dull and lifeless, just that it's...umm different
i like how the 808 sounds fluid :)
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futureimage
from buy FIR from Juno (United Kingdom) on 2007-05-28 14:07 [#02088400]
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808 > 909
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oscillik
from the fires of orc on 2007-05-28 14:13 [#02088403]
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totally
hence my 808 has pride of place in front of me so i can tweak it in real time, whereas the 909 sits above my amp
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sheffieldbleep
from Sheffield (United Kingdom) on 2007-05-29 03:17 [#02088556]
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oscillik - do you the >£500 + price tag for an 808 and a >£800 + price tag for a 909 are still justified when for £100 you can get a Novation Drumstation that sounds almost identical to both?
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Taxidermist
from Black Grass on 2007-05-29 03:33 [#02088560]
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The drumstation is sample based, plus isn't as good to sequence.
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sheffieldbleep
from Sheffield (United Kingdom) on 2007-05-29 03:53 [#02088572]
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It's more than just a dumb set of samples though.
The main argument IMO is the way you interact with the old boxes and the state of mind you're in when playing with them. I know I get more enthused when using the 606 than I do when clicking on a midi drum event on the monitor.
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Taxidermist
from Black Grass on 2007-05-29 03:56 [#02088575]
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Yes, you can play with filter cutoff and envelopes and stuff. But still, its a sample. Might as well be using a sampler by that logic.
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sheffieldbleep
from Sheffield (United Kingdom) on 2007-05-29 04:00 [#02088577]
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It samples the original wave forms that construct each sound. MUCH more than a set of samples with a DCF/A.
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sheffieldbleep
from Sheffield (United Kingdom) on 2007-05-29 04:02 [#02088579]
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But my point being £100 or £1500. Is that 'sound' worth the extra outlay?
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Taxidermist
from Black Grass on 2007-05-29 04:07 [#02088581]
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Personally, I would rather have a xbase than either an 808, 909 or drumstation, but oscillik likes having his drum machines. I understand where he is coming from even though I don't share the same interest in vintage drum synthesizers.
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oscillik
from the fires of orc on 2007-05-29 08:15 [#02088622]
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i shall reply to this discussion later tonight, when i have the luxory of a full keyboard - currently on my mobile
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oscillik
from the fires of orc on 2007-05-29 16:23 [#02088718]
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i personally think that the prices i paid for my gear were reasonable.
but that's my opinion
i have the stuff i have because i like interacting with it, as you've already put quite rightly - messing around with something else doesn't feel right.
not only that but the real things DO really sound different from samples. every 808 is different. every 909 is different. every 303, 606, or any other analogue piece of equipment will always sound different from another (insert instrument here).
i like my toys :)
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