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offline Monoid from one source all things depend on 2007-05-14 04:00 [#02083651]
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Have you ever been to the Opera?


 

offline unabomber from Palma de Mallorca (Spain) on 2007-05-14 04:03 [#02083652]
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No.
Mostly beacause of the bad relation between Opera and
worker's movements.


 

offline _gvarek_ from next to you (Poland) on 2007-05-14 04:05 [#02083653]
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Unfortunately no.


 

offline Ceri JC from Jefferson City (United States) on 2007-05-14 04:09 [#02083654]
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No. I've been to stage plays with lots of singing, but never
proper Operas. I don't really like the music, but I suppose
I should go once, maybe it's one of those things like
theatre that you have to be there to "get it"?


 

offline Monoid from one source all things depend on 2007-05-14 04:14 [#02083658]
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Mostly beacause of the bad relation between Opera and
worker's movements


Huh. What? Please explain


 

offline unabomber from Palma de Mallorca (Spain) on 2007-05-14 05:07 [#02083671]
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The Opera was sustained mostly by the burguesy, who where
the only social class who could afford to go there (while
workers couldn't afford nothing).
It was a common place for anarchysts to attack with home
made bombs.

And stuff like that....


 

offline cuntychuck from Copenhagen (Denmark) on 2007-05-14 05:56 [#02083679]
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Nope, im afraid of opera since all the people i know that
has ever been to one have been bored to death. But i imagine
if you are into it, it must be the ULTIMATE experience.


 

offline obara from Utrecht on 2007-05-14 12:31 [#02083793]
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yes, but i quit it in favour of firefox


 

offline Taxidermist from Black Grass on 2007-05-14 12:44 [#02083796]
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That was how artists survived back then.


 

offline unabomber from Palma de Mallorca (Spain) on 2007-05-15 00:35 [#02083933]
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Not all of them... but I see what u mean. Been that way for
art and artists many times.

But... at the time Opera was at it's top, the situation was
very very politized.


 

offline Taxidermist from Black Grass on 2007-05-15 00:39 [#02083934]
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Yes. Unfortunately artists have and always will have to live
outside of society but alongside it to be part of it. A
society needs to support its artists if it is to be able to
remember its past.


 

offline Taxidermist from Black Grass on 2007-05-15 00:41 [#02083935]
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And the working class have never really been capable of
supporting the artists. At least until recently. Now a good
portion of our worlds artists are supported mostly by the
working class.


 

offline unabomber from Palma de Mallorca (Spain) on 2007-05-15 00:46 [#02083936]
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Yes, but now most profits go to the same burguesy that now
controls the media. And the media tell to people what artist
they should support. So, one way or another...


 

offline Taxidermist from Black Grass on 2007-05-15 01:23 [#02083939]
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Here is where I disagree with you. Yes, the money goes
towards the rich upper class, but I feel the public controls
media much more than the other way around. The media just
gives people what they want. Take music for example. Its not
that the media just gives people shitty music to enjoy. Its
that people choose shitty music to listen to.

The media spent a little while trying to control trends.
They are experiencing a backlash of sorts. That is why they
are having such a difficult time with P2P. Because the
public is telling them "we are willing to like this and
this, but not this, so we won't pay for that". The media is
having a hard time relinquishing that control, so they are
having fits. The media will circum to the machine
eventually, because its a side effect of civilization, not a
control element.


 

offline WooferAttack from Milano (Italy) on 2007-05-15 01:51 [#02083949]
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lol


 

offline unabomber from Palma de Mallorca (Spain) on 2007-05-15 01:57 [#02083951]
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The public controls the media?
Sure that's where we disagree...


 

offline Taxidermist from Black Grass on 2007-05-15 03:38 [#02083968]
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Yes. They cater to what the public wants. If the media tries
to give the public something it doesn't want, the public
rejects it. That said, the media does have a tenancy to
pander to the lowest common denominator, because it captures
the largest audience. People just naturally have bad taste.
Its why democracy will never work.


 

offline Monoid from one source all things depend on 2007-05-15 05:16 [#02084012]
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The burguesy? Whats that? Something like the Bourgeoise?


 

offline CS2x from London (United Kingdom) on 2007-05-15 06:02 [#02084022]
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I've never been able to connect with operatic works. Most
kinds of music have pieces within them that can do something
for me, but opera on the whole just leaves me flat, which is
strange considering how overboard and bombastic it can be.


 

offline unabomber from Palma de Mallorca (Spain) on 2007-05-15 06:04 [#02084024]
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Think so... but my english is not very good...


 


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