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i know that maybe someone up here will now anything about it, maybe has been already signed (sorry for obciously having missed it) or heard about someone wo got signed. actually my question would be - how does the situation with money for a release look like? i can imagine that every label has it's own law but - is there any standard? i mean if i would be asked to release something on a label would they ask me to sell them the rights to my tracks one time, i would get a check and then fuck off or do i get some percent of the selled releases? i can imagine this sounds quite pathetic because better people (impakt?) have tried to send demos and got nothing but i'm just asking if the effort of making a demo, sending and finally waiting for an answer not sleeping at night is worth it... |
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usually you are looking at smaller amounts for a new artist.... a pressing od 500 - 1000 so the copyright for the CD goes to the label and they split net profit (profit obtained over and above the cost of making the CD, postage and promotion etc) 50/50 so as you can see even if you sell out you will not make loads.... but then there is also digital download sales .... you can make the most money by playing live - organising gigs yourself and keeping what you can from the door.... The bottom line is that the label is helping to promote your music and it is usually done more for love than money.... Bigger artists can expect an adance of 200-1000 before the album goes out because the label knows they can sell 1000 quite quickly with the following sales dripping in over a year or two.... Of course its a diff ball game if you are signed to a major Thing is artists from planet mu & type sell 1000-3000 Bigger warp artists will sell 3000-10 000 with the aphexs of this world selling 30 000-50 000 worldwide in their heyday... thats my best guess mind you based on figures i've seen in the past but cannot verify how accurate they were |
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1000 CDs costs £1000-1200 to press and promote If all of them sell then that is about 4000-5000 banked But it is rare for new artists to sell that much in the electronic/idm genre |
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Basically - keep the day job ;) |
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thanks for that great post ! my expectations for money are rather low - every sum would satisfy me actually. i'm a bit afraid of actually completely selling away the rights to my tracks but i can imagine that for a start they wouldn't even want to talk with me about this. the thing with promotion would be great - i'm more afraid of that live-gigging thing as i have quite difficult studies here and i guess i wouldn't be able to travel a lot. |
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well unless you are playing live + have a great web-site + have a fanbase why/how would you sell more than 50 copies anyhow? its a joint venture between label and artist to build your fanbase - and good music alone is not enough to sell 1000 CDs. It has to be exceptional music + great promo and marketing + live gigs + magazine interviews + radio play.... |
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no day job here so a few bucks into the pocket would be very nice :> |
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Press stuff up yourself. Vinyl is better because it looks like you're more serious about it, anyone can make CDs now. Of course, the actual music has to be good in the first place... and what sounds great to you might bore everybody else to death, it's hard to get perspective. Most musicians start out very optimistically, then gradually realise nobody gives a flying fuck. A lad I knew from school has just quit his band after five years and £10,000 worth of debt promoting it to almost total indifference. He can play the guitar well, his mate can sing, they have some nice tunes, they just didn't factor in the thousands of other bands that are doing exactly the same thing as them. |
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Global Goon posted here some years ago. I asked him about "the economy", and he told me he sold 7000 copies of Vatican Nitez and that Rephlex paid him £6000 for it. That was one of the reasons for making his own label. He actually earned more money on the first-press of Family Glue (1000 copies). So it seems hard to make aliving out of making electronic music. Better get signed to Warp now! |
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Of course, if you're just doing for a bit of fun, the love the music, etc, then fair enough. |
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I'm glad goon did well - But a few years ago - you could sell CDs for £10+ per CD Now its nearer £7, 6 or less |
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That why its more important than ever (if you respect an artist) to go out and pick up their music legit rather than soulseek.... if they don't get some money towards food or equipment - they'll just give up.... |
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i'm actually a bit afraid of releasing i guess... first because i still think that my music is insufficiently good second because i somehow dislike this whole getting excited feeling when you think that you will be the great breakthrough and suddenly you realise that this was just a big bubble third because i'm afraid that a lable might direct me into a musical directory far away from my own and i will bitch myself for them |
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well if it ain't fun - why do it at all? release music because you love making it and have to do it because it feels good.... making music is the buzz - getting it released is just a bonus a positive "side effect" |
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Try to send out some demo's. Small chance that you'll get signed, and if you actually do, THEN you can worry about loosing the rights to your tracks and becoming a sell-out :) Good luck, anyway |
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and labels don't have to direct you they just look for the cream of the crop through the 100s of demos they get and support those people by getting their music out.... i've listened to +1500 demos for audiobulb and signed 2 artists from demos (calika & ultre) |
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yes good luck :) and stop worrying! |
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I've heard the worst problem with listenening to demos is that 99% of them are really cliched. Did you find that this was the case? |
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80% are really cliched > bad electro/dance/trance/pop 10% are good 5% are very good the remainder are excellent to amazing..... |
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Well this thread is quite upsetting. |
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whatcha mean ? |
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The general "no one gives a shit about you nor your music" attitude of the music industry basically. But then again, battles have to be fought in life. Proving yourself worthy in the eyes (ears) of others. I'm too tired. Good night. |
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Problem is, faced with a huge deluge of unsigned music, it would be impossible to give a shit about every single artist. |
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Couple pointers... if I may... Legally, a record laebl will require you to release the rights to your music for them to reproduce and distribute your music, but they do not need exclusive rights. If a contract is involved, read it very carefully. There are many stipulations you can clarify with a label in regards to this; Exclusive rights for X years, Shared rights with the label intent to promote the artist, Shared rights up to X reproductions, Shared rigth for X time period, etc etc. Know exactly what rights you are giving them. You should probably never ever give a label exclusive rights to your name. This will prohibit you from releasing music under that name on other labels without their consent. Sometimes pay comes in the form of merchandise rather than cash; which can be nice if you perform live often, you'll have CDs, records, etc to sell at events. Ignore the math that seems to make sense in your head. Just because you produce 1,000 records, doesn't instantly mean 1,000*$10ea.=$10,000. Distributors pay significantly less than individuals ($1.50 even), plus you have to count in for promotional giveaways; DJs, magazines, radio, etc etc. I'm half asleep right now.. Maybe I'll think of something important later... |
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Nothing like the blind leading the blind. |
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Or the creaminess of the Peanut Gallery. |
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True, true enough. |
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As room says, a lot of smaller IDM labels do it for love rather than money, but obviously still need to pretty much break even, in order to continue putting stuff out. If you were serious about making money doing it, I'd recommend become a supermarket's own brand version of the neptunes, work with a few rap artists and start cashing in on the current fad for electro-tinged hiphop whilst it lasts. |
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I wish I could find a decent MC... Quite hard here in Mallorca! |
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You could try getting into doing music for other fields, like library music, documentaries, things on tv, flash sequences on websites...sound design for various little tibbets here and there, to bring some money in (and you can make a surprisingly large amount if your pieces are played over and over again) while doing the music you love and also trying to promote that. If you're own proper music does get somewhere, nobody needs to know about the rest. |
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*your |
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i actually had 3 conversations with companies making internet sites about making the small jingles for flash sites. nothing worked yet. |
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