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Well, the question if 'god' (who?) exists is in itself pointless. So, an Agnostic person would just leave it open. An Atheist instead beleives in the non-existance of God, SO HE THE ATHEIST HAS ACTUALLY TO PROVE IT THAT GOD DOESNT EXIST. And thats impossible. Atheists in my opinion have a probem with logic |
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I'm an atheist and don't have to prove shit, you silly wanker |
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I think Atheists are going on not only common sense, but also faith, in not believing in a God. i think that's why it qualifies as a religion, even when it's more of an anti-religion. |
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To claim the NON EXISTANCE of something is mandatory to know EVERYTHING that exists, therefore IMPOSSIBLE. |
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just two sides of the same monoid face |
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yeh get fucked you usless piece of bullshit cunt wank |
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you go girlfriend! |
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i dont see why people say atheism is a religion - it's a lack of religion - not believing in god(s) |
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in my case at least its a lack of faith, a lack of belief. an absence of faith in a god, not faith in the absence of a god. |
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You can't disprove that I'm not sitting here with three testicles. It's just highly unlikely. I think atheists can disprove the existence of god to a certain degree of resonable doubt. There is no solid evidence that he exists. There is a huge amount of evidence for people making up folk stories, writing religious texts, and pushing religion as means to their own ends. |
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i think there are different flavors of atheism. the one that makes the most sense to me is the one that says since there is absolutely no evidence that a supreme being exists it is nonsensical to believe that one does, thusly it is a safe bet to proceed as if a god did not exist. that's a little bit stronger than a strictly agnostic view, but still pretty much nit-picking. |
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the only one who made sense in this thread is unabomber. being an atheist 'because it's a pretty safe bet to say that God MOST LIKELY does not exist' is laughable. The problem with a lot of atheists is that they think of god as the stereotype of an old bearded man high up there who created the world and everything in it, while god could just as well exist in your body and mind. |
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one could argue that believing that the big bang ever occurred is just as nonsensical. There is absolutely no evidence for it, yet people are pretty much convinced, for whatever reasons (probably because it's the easiest, as is saying 'god most likely doesnt exist') |
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Simple logic will state that you cannot prove the nonexistence of something. Logic is just a combination of mathematics and philosophy... Logic is merely a study of truth and false... So we apply "mathematical" logic to our philosophy (using words and concepts). It's very difficult to assign a "boolean" value to a word or a concept. Slightly easier when it comes to existence (where-as a concept exists, or does not exist), but you cannot prove nonexistence. It is not for the atheist to prove god doesn't exist, it is for the believer to prove he does. |
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there is a lot of evidence for the big bang actually. a lot of atheists are probably actually atheist only in terms of the christian god. since with a lot of people (especially in america i would imagine) christianity would be the only religion they had encountered. |
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while god could just as well exist in your body and mind. I too can defend the existence of any entity X given the ability to freely redefine X. Observe: - Leprechauns are small pebbles. - Small pebbles exist. - Therefore Leprechauns exist. QED |
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Flawed syllogism |
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Yes, I should have said that all small pebbles are leprechauns. My bad. |
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I would take exception to your point that there is no evidence for the big bang. I wouldn't say that the evidence is conclusive, but as far as I know almost everything astro-cosmologists have found so far points in that general direction, and the anomalies that don't point that direction are not well understood at all... I guess what I'm trying to say is, just because you don't understand it doesn't mean that no one does. |
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"being an atheist 'because it's a pretty safe bet to say that God MOST LIKELY does not exist' is laughable." I also take exception to this. There's not much of a chance that science will be able to provide "Proof" that a supernatural being exists, being that it would exist outside the realm of natural law. In my opinion, the most ethical way to live is by basing your decisions on the best evidence possible... and since there is no evidence for the existence of a god then basing your decisions on the fact that a god likely doesn't exist IS the best way to live. That is, of course, not to say that you should claim to be certain that a god doesn't exist. |
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Atheists don't think there is no God, because they don't even use the word God. Or if they do, it means nothing to them, like "jhfekzjfhe" or "bleheuehehe". |
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Darwin's Pitbull.. Richard Dawkins 10 minute interview regarding the irrational belief in god. 1 hour long discussion Q&A. |
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for arguments sake i'm a agnostic but at the same time i do truly believe that christianity is bullshit |
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I almost forgot about this one.. this is rather mausing... |
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Don't argue against religion and Cite sCienCe. That is debating someone on irrelevant terms. Of Course religion is irrational! Religion is not sCienCe. God Can never be observed or quantified (even as a "yes" or "no"). If he Could, then it would be sCienCe. That is the basiC premise of religion. |
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if he can never be observed or quantified, then surely its possible that he is just made up? |
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Ahahahah! The old guy with the rake, that was just beautiful. |
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I have proved that God does not exist by weighing his skeleton. That's Science. |
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i don't know if you're referring to me there, but the only reason i mentioned anything about science is that it was mentioned in a response to my first post. however, i think both science and religion do compete in the area of trying to explain the way the world works. the former is based on logic and experimentation whereas the later is based on faith in authority figures or scriptures, and i think it is possible to compare and debate the worth of those two fundamental aspects. |
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