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offline marlowe from Antarctica on 2007-01-08 19:24 [#02028705]
Points: 24588 Status: Lurker



I can remember back in late 1999 (I never thought I'd ever
be saying back in 1999), when I got my first internet
connection, a pay-as-you-go dial-up affair. It doesn't seem
over seven years ago! And since I registered on Xltronic
almost five years ago - half a decade! - so much has
happened -- a marriage break-up, different flats and homes,
relationships & friendships blossoming and then fading or
exploding, jobs coming and going, the birth of my beautiful
baby daughter.

And I look back and realise that time really does flow so
deceptively quickly, the years just glide by without
comment. And every once in a while, you enter some small
bright oasis, reflect and cast your mind backwards, and gape
in disbelief that time has gone, these things have passed
away never to return; that the things you've put off for
another day have shrugged their shoulders and turned their
back on you.

It's scary, yet never enough to motivate me to change
myself; nothing seems to be able to do that. In ten years
I'll be 40 years old, and I wonder if I'll still be a pauper
loser or if somewhere along the line I'll finally discover
the inner strength and motivation to succeed at
something.

Let's all hold hands and pray together.


 

offline w M w from London (United Kingdom) on 2007-01-08 19:51 [#02028708]
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Life is brief,
but when it's gone...
love... goes on... and oooooon...


 

offline Mr Brazil from Oh Joan, I love you so... on 2007-01-08 20:03 [#02028711]
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The answer is no and I think you know it.


 

offline imdex from Argentina on 2007-01-08 20:05 [#02028712]
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Relax :)


 

offline marlowe from Antarctica on 2007-01-08 20:16 [#02028715]
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You're probably right -- although, I do have literary agent
who wants to sign me for a children's book I'm writing. If
there's any hope of rising above low-paid jobs, it's
writing.

imdex, I'm afraid I'm one of life's worriers.


 

offline w M w from London (United Kingdom) on 2007-01-08 20:20 [#02028716]
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My whole life I've been a system/machine doing activities
the machine wasn't designed for, and being prevented from
doing activities the machine was designed for.


 

offline imdex from Argentina on 2007-01-08 20:25 [#02028717]
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your life is very ok! you have a baby daughter! and
internets are awesome!


 

offline Mr Brazil from Oh Joan, I love you so... on 2007-01-08 20:25 [#02028718]
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A literary agent--nice. That's definately "a way out" I
suppose. Children's books are a good market to enter into
for a writer from what I hear. Well, not that it's easy to,
but if you do you can make a decent living from it.

Have you a synopsis you'd like to share?


 

offline marlowe from Antarctica on 2007-01-08 20:40 [#02028721]
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Well, it's complicated and the themes keep growing all the
time - I have two or three notepads for the developing
themes, maps, characters etc. The story is called Alice
Evergreen
, and the title-character is a young teenage
girl who has a younger brother named Miles. Their parents
have moved them from the city to a village, East Summerton,
on the coast. Near their house is an old ruined building
which they explore soon after moving. A mist thickens on the
lawn outside and shapes emerge. Her brother freaks out and
rejects it, she embraces it. She is ethereal and spiritual
and imaginative, he is earthly and robust and physical. It
explores those themes and similar related themes. She
befriends the spirit of a Victorian boy who haunts the
building, while Miles befriends a local boy named Dominic,
and they have their own boyish adventures. Eventually,
something happens (I wouldn't spoil it!), and the family
must move away from the village. Alice is faced with the
choice: return with her family, or live eternally in the
spirit world with Tom.

It's kind of old-fashioned - more in the spirit of
Swallows & Amazons than these trashy modern novels
churned out nowadays.

I'm sorry, I'm abysmal at writing synopsiseses, as I
never know what to include, what to leave out, etc.


 

offline bogala from NYC (United States) on 2007-01-08 20:47 [#02028724]
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If only time would pass as slowly as when you were a young
lad. When you were dying to get older and on with things.
The irony. I fully understand . You put it very eloquently.
I have been reflecting in this same thing. Maybe cause we
are similar in age. I want to figure out how to make it go
at half speed.


 

offline bogala from NYC (United States) on 2007-01-08 20:50 [#02028725]
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My editor is going to love this. Thank you so much!


 

offline Mr Brazil from Oh Joan, I love you so... on 2007-01-08 21:01 [#02028726]
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Actually you have some good plot points there. Kids moving
away from their friends and everything else that's familiar
to live somewhere quite different. They find new, strange
and interesting friends to help ease the trauma - for a
child - of being away from what is home. Are their friends
real or manufactured to cope? Then they must move again. Do
they stay, left in their imagination/strange world of
wonder/possible reality, or do they leave/grow up. Yeah,
really nice idea there. Definately work it all out. It could
be something profitable and life fulfilling.


 

offline marlowe from Antarctica on 2007-01-08 21:06 [#02028728]
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Thanks for that -- I've given copies of it to friends at
work (well, the first 10,000 words), and it went down well:
they often ask me how the writing is going, when it's going
to be finished, the characters & relationships they like in
the story, so it makes me feel better about it. And the good
thing is that the range of ages of these people is from
about 17 up to my age, so I get a good cross-section of
views.


 

offline FlyAgaric from the discovery (Africa) on 2007-01-09 05:10 [#02028798]
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I remember round about '95 when my dad set up this lousy
connection at home. It was amazing. I remember secretely
looking up pictures of WWF's Sunny, my heart racing with the
fear of being caught but also of the excitement her large
breasts gave me. Typing "boobs" into altavista and not
having to worry about 'adult key' when viewing the porn.
Painstackingly slow multiplayer games. Downloading 'Net Bus'
and then stressing when some creep started opening up my cd
rom drive and taking control of my key functions. Quake CTF.
Ultima Online. My adolescent newspro.cgi rant blog site
"Backwater Views" before blogs were everywhere (I was so
cool).

Bless.


 

offline oyvinto on 2007-01-09 05:16 [#02028805]
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i've been online since around 96 when we had the first
lousy, and expensive, isdn connection


 

offline esaruoho from helsinki (Finland) on 2007-01-09 05:17 [#02028806]
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1999? try 1994..


 

offline big from lsg on 2007-01-09 05:19 [#02028810]
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I will read his later, looks interesting though.


 

offline mortsto-x from Trondheim/Bodø (Norway) on 2007-01-09 05:23 [#02028811]
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Relax kid. I joined XLT a day before you, and for me you'll
always be a n00b!


 

offline Dannn_ from United Kingdom on 2007-01-09 05:25 [#02028812]
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I prefer not to think about this kind of thing because I'm
pretty sure life gets more disappointing the more you become
familiar with it


 

offline Skink from A cesspool in eden on 2007-01-09 05:25 [#02028813]
Points: 7483 Status: Lurker



I have become very aware at how fast things seem to have
become for me in the last three years. I also know that
before i really think about it again i will be thirty... God
knows what would have happened by then.



 

offline sheffieldbleep from Sheffield (United Kingdom) on 2007-01-09 05:37 [#02028814]
Points: 2466 Status: Lurker



I remember installing internet explorer on windows 95 then
connecting to compuserve (I miss the sound of my modem, I
got to know the sound routine, it was like a track on
Chiastic Slide). Those were the days.


 

offline Ezkerraldean from the lowest common denominator (United Kingdom) on 2007-01-09 05:51 [#02028818]
Points: 5733 Status: Addict



fot it in march 1999 on my old Packard Bell thing running
98. i didnt even like electronic music back then, fucking
hell things have changed.


 

offline Ezkerraldean from the lowest common denominator (United Kingdom) on 2007-01-09 05:51 [#02028819]
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fot = got = gew = few


 

offline rockenjohnny from champagne socialism (Australia) on 2007-01-09 08:05 [#02028864]
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ever since last friday night, when i visited a buddhist
dhamma hall, ive been imagining this lounge room without the
computer, television, or speakers.

wouldnt it be great to spend all the time i put into these
devices in meditation?


 

offline Ophecks from Nova Scotia (Canada) on 2007-01-09 08:15 [#02028870]
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It was amazing. I remember secretely
looking up pictures of WWF's Sunny, my heart racing with
the
fear of being caught but also of the excitement her large
breasts gave me.

Oh hell yeah, likewise. Have you seen her lately though?
Soooooeey!

And yeah time marches on at warp speed, but for me I'm
appalled at how little has happened during that period.
Although the advent of Napster was a watershed moment my
music listening career, and hence, my life.


 

offline Ophecks from Nova Scotia (Canada) on 2007-01-09 08:16 [#02028871]
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Fuck.


 

offline marlowe from Antarctica on 2007-01-09 08:21 [#02028876]
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I have those thoughts all the time :-/


 

offline Dannn_ from United Kingdom on 2007-01-09 08:26 [#02028879]
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I think its good to have all your electronic timewasting
wankery kept separate, I have a corner for stuff like
reading books and sitting down and drinking tea and painting
and writing letters. Sometimes when im sat at the computer I
look over at it yearningly, but never the other way around


 

offline marlowe from Antarctica on 2007-01-09 08:30 [#02028882]
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Good point - my main problem is that I don't have a desk,
and my stereo system is in the hallway. It's hard to get
down to write (I use a laptop) when I have no desk - I
either have the laptop on a small side-table, or else sit in
bed and write.

I'm also addicted to background noise - I hate silence, and
I know that's near catastrophic for me.


 

offline EVOL from a long time ago on 2007-01-09 10:26 [#02028908]
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yeah time and our perception of it changes the more we are
familiar with it. remember when you were like 6 and a song
on the radio lasted fooorrreeevvveeerrr. when in reality
songs on the radio are usually only around 4 minutes long.
just how every year seems to pass by quicker. because every
year we get used to all the seasons coming and going, that
it's spring, no it's fall... damn it's summer already, shit
winter again. i aksed my great grand mother when she was
turning like 85 or whatever like, "hey nana, do years seem
like months or weeks now since your 80?" but i don't
remeber what she said cuz i was like 10.

anyway, yeah when you're younger you're like fuck i wanna be
10, then i wanna be a teenager, then 16, 18 and 21. after
that i still feel like i did mentally, who i was more or
less, when i was 18, only difference now is i've just had
an extra 8 years to realize what fuckin tools we all are
when we are younger. which gives us the right to laugh and
ridicule people younger than us because they don't (nor did
we) see a difference between those who are older. which
again is part of that realization factor of, "gee, i was a
fuckin dumbass when i was that age." when ever we look
back. when we are that age we struggle so hard to prove we
are on the same level as those who came before us, while at
the same time we never accept the fact that those who came
since could ever be on the same level. discrimination.

we wonder how we'll be different in the future, which is not
any different we'll only have more time to experience things
and add them too our personality as a sorta constant
upgrading process to better ourselves. never claim to have
things all figured out. you will be surprised later when
you discover something new to change your perspective.


 

offline cygnus from nowhere and everyplace on 2007-01-09 10:31 [#02028911]
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i hate that as i get older time goes by faster. for me it is
like a disease


 

offline ijonspeches from 109P/Swift-Tuttle on 2007-01-09 14:56 [#02029118]
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Time

Ticking away the moments that make up a dull day
You fritter and waste the hours in an off hand way
Kicking around on a piece of ground in your home town
Waiting for someone or something to show you the way

Tired of lying in the sunshine staying home to watch the
rain
You are young and life is long and there is time to kill
today
And then one day you find ten years have got behind you
No one told you when to run, you missed the starting gun

And you run and you run to catch up with the sun, but its
sinking
And racing around to come up behind you again
The sun is the same in the relative way, but youre older
Shorter of breath and one day closer to death

Every year is getting shorter, never seem to find the time
Plans that either come to naught or half a page of scribbled
lines
Hanging on in quiet desperation is the english way
The time is gone, the song is over, thought Id something
more to say

PiNk FlOyD



 

offline Brisk from selling smack at the orphanage on 2007-01-09 15:00 [#02029120]
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Things sure have changed. From the early days of modem with
the fear of every porn site I visited showing up on the
telephone bill, to the cobalt internet gigalo extraordinaire
I am now. Good times.


 

offline redrum from the allman brothers band (Ireland) on 2007-01-09 15:01 [#02029123]
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PiNk FlOyD


 

offline rockenjohnny from champagne socialism (Australia) on 2007-01-09 16:26 [#02029188]
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are you familiar with ajahn brahm?


 

offline marlowe from Antarctica on 2007-01-09 16:38 [#02029214]
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Please don't paste worn lyrics in here, thanks.

rockenjohnny - no, who's that?


 

offline rockenjohnny from champagne socialism (Australia) on 2007-01-09 16:43 [#02029223]
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hes a senior monk and the founder of the buddhist society of
western australia, ive really enjoyed his talks.

theyre all online at www.bswa.org if youre interested


 

offline marlowe from Antarctica on 2007-01-09 16:47 [#02029229]
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Cheers, J. I've been trying to find a decent Buddhist
society here, but it's looking a bit thin. I need spiritual
guidance and support because I feel so aimless at the
moment.


 

offline staz on 2007-01-09 16:48 [#02029232]
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there's nothing sadder than telling your grandchildren about
"that skateboarding video i saw on youtube".


 

offline rockenjohnny from champagne socialism (Australia) on 2007-01-09 16:55 [#02029239]
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ive been feeling very much the same, and out of touch. ajahn
brahms compassion and humour has made me feel so much
better.


 

offline marlowe from Antarctica on 2007-01-09 16:57 [#02029247]
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I remember there was a period in my life when I was feeling
real low about myself. It was just after the birth of my
daughter, and me and her mother were having serious
relationship troubles. I downloaded a whole bunch of Alan
Watts lectures, and used to listen to them on the drive to
and from work (it was an hour's drive back then). They
really helped me, a lot!


 


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