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Spookyluke
from United States on 2006-11-21 14:33 [#02005770]
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Anyone else interested in 12 tone music? I've just gotten back into making music, and fooling around especially with 12 tone. I'm curious how others feel, you know-- is it too much, or is 12 tone a relevant, viable system of composition?
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redrum
from the allman brothers band (Ireland) on 2006-11-21 14:34 [#02005771]
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no thanks... :/
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Ophecks
from Nova Scotia (Canada) on 2006-11-21 14:38 [#02005781]
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I appreciate it the historical signifigance of it and some of my favorite contemporary composers either fooled around with this style at one time, and adopted some traits into their own styles, but I do not like listening to music made like that.
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uviol
from United States on 2006-11-21 14:38 [#02005782]
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On a philosophical level? Love it.. it's so pure. It's not always easy to listen to though. Never tried to make it.
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My_Aphex_Twin
from Stockport (United Kingdom) on 2006-11-21 14:39 [#02005784]
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Don't pianist give it 12 tone when they're pissed?
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redrum
from the allman brothers band (Ireland) on 2006-11-21 14:45 [#02005792]
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i agree with that 100%
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DiaZoHeXagoN
from The city of angels (United States) on 2006-11-21 14:55 [#02005802]
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ive tried writing in it before, but Im never happy with what I create. not that im ever really happy with my music
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vlari
from beyond the valley of the LOLs on 2006-11-21 14:57 [#02005804]
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2 Tone for me thank you
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Drunken Mastah
from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2006-11-21 15:07 [#02005819]
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what is it, more specifically?
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i_x_ten
from arsemuncher on 2006-11-21 15:12 [#02005824]
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if it aint broke dont fix. whats the point of this.
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Spookyluke
from United States on 2006-11-21 15:32 [#02005844]
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12 tone doesn't have a key. Each of the 12 notes in a chromatic scale are equally important, and the rules of composition (for the style) are that you can't repeat a note until all 12 notes have been played.
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Drunken Mastah
from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2006-11-21 15:33 [#02005847]
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oh, so it only differs from composing in a chromatic scale in that you can't repeat a note until the others have been used?
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mylittlesister
from ...wherever (United Kingdom) on 2006-11-21 15:34 [#02005848]
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12 tone music... serial music.
look up Arnold Schoenberg [or i could do it for you]
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Drunken Mastah
from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2006-11-21 15:36 [#02005851]
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haha, I'm going to give it a go just for my own enjoyment
does it say anything about not holding the notes? I can produce chords, right?
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sadist
from the dark side of the moon on 2006-11-21 15:43 [#02005859]
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thanks i can get along with one tone already
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Spookyluke
from United States on 2006-11-21 15:45 [#02005863]
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yes, you can use chords -- as long as no note is repeated. i don't understand traditional composition-- so that's the only reason I'm so gung-ho into 12 tone. I don't know how to make melodies with a regular chromatic scale hahahah :)
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Drunken Mastah
from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2006-11-21 15:51 [#02005870]
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I usually don't bother with any particular rules of composition, I just go with what sounds good
however, sometimes it's good to restrict yourself, and a good way to do that is to just set a scale and work within it.. hehe, a chromatic scale isn't really a restriction, but the "don't use that tone before you've used the other tones" is...
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big
from lsg on 2006-11-23 03:24 [#02006527]
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you're confusing a-tonal and 12-tone, one isn't necessarily the other
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w M w
from London (United Kingdom) on 2006-11-23 03:29 [#02006528]
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There's like, "notes", and they're arranged in some sort of order some think, but I'll be damned if I can make a song out of them. People that write snakeman megaman 3 music don't use these notes, they use "magic music particles".
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dog_belch
from Netherlands, The on 2006-11-24 20:37 [#02007596]
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is 12 tone a relevant, viable system of composition?
No.
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Taxidermist
from Black Grass on 2006-11-25 02:13 [#02007620]
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Moreover, you are allowed to repeate melodies that you have made using 12 tone by going back and forth through notes that you have just played, but that is the only way you can repeat notes before going through all 12 notes. Like this:
C G C# G C G C# F
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big
from lsg on 2006-11-25 04:39 [#02007634]
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you can turn them around and you can transpose them within the octave, like turning the series around vertically around the middle note
also you can hit all the octaves
it's just a method of making things as complex as possible because you have the least repetition as possible
also it's theoretical stuff
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Taxidermist
from Black Grass on 2006-11-25 04:52 [#02007635]
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You know, I am having enough of a time learning scales. Bullocks to all this wankery.
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big
from lsg on 2006-11-25 04:55 [#02007636]
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hehe, the theory is really simple, all 12 tones is an easy scale :)
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