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how could one apply this to music |
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eh? what do you mean? do you want people to perceive your music as a dead person? |
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Your music is unlovable, so I guess you're doing something right. |
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Some roboticists have heavily criticized the theory .... David Hanson, a roboticist who developed a realistic robotic copy of his girlfriend's head, said the idea of the Uncanny Valley was "really pseudoscientific, but people treat it like it is science." Oh god, yeah, I could really get behind someone like David Hanson, thank goodness for his voice of reason. The fucking... freak. |
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well the theory applies to robots and any non-living entity. can music be considered a non-living entity? i think it can, cause i mean, cause a person can have an emotional response to it.. and have memory of its characteristics, etc.. so i think its one of those person-to-person things, the more you're into a certain type of music i think you reach the uncanny valley when you hear that one bad ass song and your eyes almost roll in the back of your head.. and after that its adapted to you? i dont know |
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your music isn't any better you fucking douchebag - that shit sucks. kill yourself |
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I don't think you understand the concept of the Uncanny Valley at all and all you've done is go "Oh, this looks badass... robots.. and shit... how could I make out my beats have got anything to do with... whatever this is.. robots, or something" |
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eh it's rather about antropomorphy; you perceive human characteristics in cartoon characters and animals, etc, but when something becomes closer to looking like a human, your attitudes towards it are no longer that of an attitude towards something non-human which you put humanity into, but rather something human that has something unhuman about it. It looks like a human, but it isn't; lots of the things normal living breathing human beings do are missing, and you get the sense you're dealing with a corpse. You know how you find those small victorian dolls creepy? The ones that look like dead babies? That's about it. if you were to apply it to music.. well.. it could be you could do it with a nonhuman voice that was close to a human voice, but I doubt it. I don't think you can apply this effectively to music, nor do I know why you'd want to. |
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but now sir david attenborough calls for my attention if I were to marry a man, it'd have to be him or bruce lee. |
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Yeah, make sure your music doesn't sound too humanlike it becomes creepy |
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I guess you could apply it to sounding almost like Autechre but not quite good enough in order to really repel someone. |
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i think it's because you are so boring and uninteresting - that you're against anything that seems remotely interesting. go hit yourself in the temple with a brick perhaps continuing to embrace your status as an asshole in 'real life' will allow you to appear "hard" and "edgy" and "hard to impress" -- as you're going through the pile of dirty clothes on your floor desparately looking for anything that isn't encrusted with either microwave burrito glop or your rancid dried semen |
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this theory is far too arbitrary |
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so.. you're saying that a piece of music can pretend it's human? |
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Haha! You pretentious twat. Hey d00d, I was browsing wikipedia, let's make beats with A HIGHBROW CONCEPT lazily farted on top. |
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I just saw a centipede eat a bat!!!!!!! A CENTIPEDE! |
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NO WAI!!!!! |
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YES WAI!!!!!!!1! |
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wow yeah that's a lot to think about.. when i got my grado sr-80's and got a good amp for them i was sort of shocked by how 'present' alot of noises sounded. i guess that could also be part of the uncanny valley in terms of music -- how well a sound is reproduced. or kinda like in 5.1 sound systems where the director will have a conversation going on between like 3 people and it'll span across 3 speakers, thats kind of uncanny too, its very realistic but it's totally not.. the themes in mamoru oshii's ghost in the shell movies are related to uncanny valley. all of the major characters in that show are programmed.. they run on chips and wires but their charm and personality is supreme, and they go past the u.v... |
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never even heard of the idea. maybe you could apply it to instruments - as they sound more human-like they become more attractive, or some shit like that. i want to apply Brownian Motion to music. e.g. totally random sounds. |
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but it isn't about realism in general, it's specifically about realism in copying human behaviour. |
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For me the uncanny valley in music is like classical music rendered by general midi patches, or someone making ersatz guitar bass drums pop tunes with midi patches. Karaoke music backgrounds, basically. Not that they're as disturbing as a certain threshold of semi-realism in androids - it's different, not as emotionally creepy but every bit as grating. It's aesthetically better to have something played by humans on real instruments, or with obvious samples and synths. Unless you're going for a certain camp factor. this is all completely subjective hur hur hur |
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i want to apply Brownian Motion to music. e.g. totally random sounds. That would be white noise you're after. They make ocean noise generators that do that. They put you to sleep. |
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you are the only motherfucker who has even mentioned making music or making beats in this thread. you are making fun of yourself by failing to make fun of me. you are like a counterfeit version of redrum, and he's younger than you! |
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that's more like the "queezy valley" for me... slugs having sex is also totally nasty; it even turned me off sir attenborough. |
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Interesting theory i guess, but i can in no way imagine how it could be used in music in any way. Make some music that makes people happy, and they can dance to. I'm the of electronic music. The world is sad and shitty enough already, so i just want to make some happy stuff that people can imerge in. |
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i wanted to try making a song that consists of a beat overlayed by totally random notes. like dividing an octave into 10 and using the value of pi to make a random tune. or something like that |
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aren't you asking how to apply this to music? isn't that about making music? |
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"How could one apply this to music" ??????????????????????????????????? |
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isn't that easily achieved by just having a random lfo modulate some tone? |
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i'm reminded of an interview i heard with jhonn balance -- where he talks about their use of magick onstage.. saying that it enhanced the connection between the music and the audience, and jhonn said something like, "if we could directly connect to each member of the audience we could, but we don't have the technology yet", i think it was interview or one.. |
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probably. it would be cool having a song of pi though. |
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you can probably restrict modulation to be within pi hz of a note of pi hz (you'd probably have to multiply pi a few times for it to be audible) or whatever |
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cygnus: how could one apply this to music cygnus: you are the only motherfucker who has even mentioned making music Who'd have thought Cygnus would display his selective memory, curious state of denial and his drug addled ego.. again??? |
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That's not too hard, unless your song is infinite and requires pi calculated to an infinite number of digits. :-) |
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All this, like your tracks, is just the desperate sound of someone deeply untalented, with no attractive personality traits, trying to make themselves appear interesting. |
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yeah, how could you apply the theory of the uncanny valley to music.. at what point does your emotional response to music become so strong that it's uncanny - when its just a ridiculously powerful phenomenon ? knee-shaking shit.. its how i felt when i saw dj krush in 2003. i wasn't high either, it was just, like, uncanny. like my mind was being read and played back to me in music over the speakers... it's kind of the same thing if you have an anatomically, totally-human robot, right? like, my grandmother for example -- what if it was designed to look exactly like my deceased grandmother? i would have some VERY strong emotional respoonses to seeing it walk and talk, and act, just like she did - because in my head i have the memories of her, and suddenly,, with the totally-realistic robot, the memories are fed back to me visually. it's like, "wow, that's precisely as i thought of her, and now she's right here". same as in the previous scenario, am i wrong/right? |
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THAT'S NOT WHAT THE CONCEPT IS ABOUT YOU FUCKING MORON. |
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lol u iz funny lol :P |
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you can't apply it to music as it requires a human-like body; it is very restricted to "human" presence. the uncanniness comes from dealing with a "living dead," not from any powerful experience. |
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All this, like your tracks, is just the desperate sound of someone deeply untalented, with no attractive personality traits, trying to make themselves appear interesting. you just described my basic mental image of you -- you don't appear interesting ever,and the rest of it. and, i hate to stoop to this inhumane level of insulting someone elses art,but, man, your music is some of the worst shit i have heard, i like the ringtones on my phone better. seriously, it's BAD. you're just an insecure, miserable loser and if you do loser-oriented things to entertain yourself. so, enjoy that and stop posting in my thread |
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Well, based on the theory you posted on Wikipedia, a robot like your grandmother, would remind you of her corpse, and you would be repulsed by it. Whereas, an robotic anime thingy that baked cookies would be cute. |
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Trouble brewing.... |
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this is what it's about those creepy dolls |
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Haha.. ignore everyone saying you don't know what you're talking about and turn on the emotive bollocks. Are you still battling the drug addiction, you waste of space? |
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ever watched Chobits? robotic anime thingys that bake cookies ARE cute! |
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Never seen it, but i'm listening to the intro music on youtube as we speak, and rocking out to it! |
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chobits took a really weird turn.. it started out all fun (I love the scene where the lights go out.. *clic clic clic* ...?"?!"!") and then it went horror... |
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haha, it did have some good music |
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