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and lazy bastards. i came across this article some time ago and i greatly admire this guy's philosophy. although i've recently started working fulltime in a bookstore which is actually pretty enjoyable most of the time, i still consider 'work' as something awful which is only there 'because that's just how the world works'. I will fight this concept for the rest of my life even if it means ending up in a mental institution. read what this guy has to say, and stop working. p.s.: let's not start a discussion or anything. a revolution if anything. kthxbye |
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workers of the world - go home and put the kettle on ! |
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you like working there but still want to battle the concept of work? i battle the concept of not liking work (though i have shitty jobs now, it). i can't stand and can't believe the spirit of not living 5 days a week and only living it up at the weekends. i just don't believe people that say that: i think they do enjoy hanging out with colleagues and shit, if they've done it right (i haven't yet) their field of interest and their collegues are likeminded people. i couldn't stand doing something absolutely horrible 40 hours a week, i'd litteraly kill myself. bozo's who say afformentioned stuff just don't know they're having an ok time |
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while work can be OK it is never as OK as being at home doing whatever it is you really WANT to do. how people are seemingly unable to grasp this is a clear consequence of years and years of brainwashing and conditioning. |
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i sure don't enjoy myself at home.. |
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I have been home for roughly three years now (due to health issues), and boy, I'm truly starting to get seriously bored! I can't wait to start school this fall, and eventually get a meaningful education/job and a decent income to support my material wishes and needs. Work can be crap, I know that from personal experience, but if you have a job that is meaningful initially, doing something you like, something you can relate to on a personal level, it can - no it will - mean a world of difference. |
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That's a really good, depressing article. I read like 1/4 so far and will read the rest later. Find the cheapest apartment around even if you have to move far away and only work part time at some place with bad customer service (= more freedom for employees). Never go to college, and just 'do time' in highschool until you can get the hell out and put that useless shit on a work application. Shit, if I was an employer I'd search for people who DIDN'T go to high school- probably less corrupted. The fact that all kids practically start off life by being in jail (school) is another reason everyone is generally evil and fucked up. |
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i haven't read the whole thing yet..will do it sometime.. ever since i quit my job about 3 or 4 months ago my mood turned 100% for better. i was feeling down all the time before, always in a depressing mood sort of, but now i do what i want, not having to worry about anything and just enjoying it..i hope i never have to get another full time job ever again because it's just a stupid way of spending your life imo. |
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i'm currently 5 minutes late for work. shit |
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I still haven't written a CV. I'm thinking of a one year sabathical at the moment. |
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i cant find work at the moment and its getting a little depressing |
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this is going alright tho some people are missing the point. i'm not arguing whether or not we NEED jobs in this current society. not having a job SUCKS, but it shouldnt have to. we are all 'expected' to work and i question this among other things. you work because you 'need' to earn money, because it is generally expected from you and because you need to 'contribute' to society, civilisation and all that crap. to me, there is no dumber thing to say than 'thats just the way things are' ('and its no use trying to figure out why') tonight it the time to defragment my brain with a healthy dose of psilocybin. i reccommend everyone to do the same. :) |
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you are a bad dutchman, for we are calvinist and we think work is good for you |
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i work 2 weeks on and three off. it's as close as you get to not be working. and the pay is doublelol. |
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What kind of health problems are keeping you on the sidelines? Life is weird. As of right now, I'm going into my 4th year off school... I DO plan on going back and I can go whenever I want but I don't have a passion for it, and as a result, no plan, and that already cost me two wasted years and alot of money. And I haven't worked in almost two years and can't get a job at this moment because of a stomach disorder. I've never been happier... I mean, I don't get bored, ever. I'm too introverted to derive any pleasure from any of the jobs I've had, and I think they've been pretty interesting and well-paying, actually. Work isn't supposed to be FUN, but you just CAN'T go to work every day getting no pleasure whatsoever out of it. i hope i never have to get another full time job ever again because it's just a stupid way of spending your life imo. Yeah. I'm squarely in the camp that doesn't want to work full-time and doesn't want to sacrifice time for money. I don't need or want a lot of money, I'm quite low maintenance and I'm unconcerned about ''contributing'' or whatever. I want to go back to school and find a field I can stay sane in... and conserve as much time as possible. Hard to figure out a way to meet this criteria. I know I'll never make much money with my mindset, unless I get lucky, but that's cool. (I'm fortunate enough to not HAVE to work right now... some people don't have a choice and it's upsetting. I've got a lot of leeway) Cool article BTW, good read. |
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EleMental. |
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i'm afraid most people in the western society would be couchpotatoes. throwing away their time staring at a screen. with respect to 50 years ago people have much more free time to spend, but in general, this doesn't make them necessarily happier. |
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that's plain stupid and childish. there is no other way than work. things don't pop up ready. |
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damn this guy is such an idiot. |
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oh, OK. |
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come on, think a little. humanity spent its time working, there is no other way. not working means you'll have to grow your vegetables, hunt your meat, sew your clothes, etc. which is work. you need energy to get what you need (food/shelter/clothes). you either work to earn money to buy them, or make them yourself. now tell me how you can satisy your needs without working. |
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and i'm workaphobic but i try to grow up a little. |
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"now tell me how you can satisy your needs without working." learning and enjoying stuff you're into..pretty simple. |
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no, you didn't get it. 1st. i was talking about *needs* such as house and food. 2nd. how do you enjoy things you're into without working? with what money? how do you get that stuff? |
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i have a baby, a mortgage, a car payment, an appetite. i think working is a fair trade, such that it allows me to keep these things that i enjoy having. |
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the thing is most people seem to work to earn as much money as possible..and soon majority works just for the money..and that is just bad..your main objective becomes money and material things and when you really think about it, those things don't give back anything worthwhile. but yeah, lets get as much money as possible and waste out lives on shitty non important jobs. why not. |
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man get out of your bubble. 80% of humans struggle to get food. less than 20% struggle to get an ipod. just give up the idea that life was supposed to be perfect. |
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i was talking about western societies ofcourse. you know, you could easily survive with working 3 hours per day or so..and still be able to afford basic needs..but ofcourse you're of no use to the community the way this one is set. once you will work for 10 years and then maybe have a break of few months you will see what work really is. unless you're lucky and get a job you would really enjoy. |
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how much time have you got left to enjoy those things? |
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sure, technology has reached a level where we don't have to work all to produce food and everything for all. a few machines do the work of many men, and it would be logical to share work, though we're going the exact opposite direction. that said, if 10 hours per week was the average work needed per human to make the society work, we would still need some people to work way more, just because you can't divide teams the way you like, there would be a desastrous increase of error factors. i'm not even talking about high responsibility jobs, such as minister or whatever that are full-time jobs, and you can't put several instead of one because humans need a hierarchy, which basically means that one is responsible for all. so you'd have a huge income difference between working people and non-working people because if not nobody would want to have responsibilities, and it would be chaos. those differences between people's role in society cannot be any good, that is pretty obvious, we would have a class of sheeps and a class of directors, a few other people in between. starts sounding like 1984, no thanks. |
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and even in western countries (or northern) it seems to me that most people struggle to get food. the poor are always more numerous and poorer, and the rich always fewer and richer. |
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those jobs that require more time could be taken by workaholics see :) |
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the point of life is to reproduce, not to have a good job. |
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and they would be the masters, and the others would be the slaves, to sum up. |
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this discussion has no meaning |
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seems like you never worked in your life. how do you pay your rent? |
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they can be masters..i don't have a problem with that. they would get less from life in the end, but the important thing is that i will be able to do what i want, i don't care about the masters. i worked for 12 years more or less..it was killing me, and i quit a few months ago and i feel wonderful ever since. |
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"In fact, work is mass murder or genocide. Directly or indirectly, work will kill most of the people who read these words. Between 14,000 and 25,000 workers are killed annually in this country on the job. Over two million are disabled. Twenty to twenty-five million are injured every year." damn this guy decided never to think!!! |
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"i hope i never have to get another full time job ever again because it's just a stupid way of spending your life imo." 45.000 points @ XLT LOL! |
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that last statement sounds extremely odd coming from you. for a LOT of people the point in life is quite positively to have a good job, because they think work = life. somebody once asked: do you work to live, or do you live to work? i want to work to live, but if you read the article you'll see that it is not work in the way we know it in this society. you have to rememember that modern western society is nothing but a concept which a few people came up with and is now 'reality'. Its hard to say where it went wrong, but it is time to go back in time. i'm not waiting for the next trillion bullshit products to arrive. I cant buy what isn't there. I can not miss what i dont know. why do i have to choose out of 10 different brands of chips in the supermarket? because otherwise there wouldn't be 10 factories where people could be employed? its all bullshit. read the article and tell me where the guy makes absolutely NO SENSE AT ALL according to you. |
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i got 44900 of those while wasting my life at work :D i maybe made 100 posts since i quit my job :) |
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he could put it different, but in the end that sounds pretty reasonable. it's the same as with smoking..it takes lifes as well. it seems you're the one not doing any thinking here. |
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well, why did he write this article is a good question to start with. he's a lazy fuck. so you'd rather not have choice? come on not a single idea makes sens in this childish text. look at the title "the abolition of work" com on... how can that be serious? "Even if you aren't killed or crippled while actually working, you very well might be while going to work, coming from work, looking for work, or trying to forget about work." how much would you rate this? 0/10 i can be killed when i go to work or when i work, therefore work is bad, great, thank you for enlightening us. hopefully it is not possible to die on a bike. "we have to take what useful work remains and transform it into a pleasing variety of game-like and craft-like pastimes, indistinguishable from other pleasurable pastimes except that they happen to yield useful end-products." does that need explanation? i'm sure his bedroom is filled up with 5-year-old-boy toys. what a wanker. he has no idea what work is, he has no idea how a society works. |
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LOL |
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Many of these topics lately. If you guys can live with a minimum of money to cover a cheap room and some food, then work 2 hrs a day. If you want a house/appartment/car/internet connection/music, then work more! |
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lol i wouldn't know where to begin sure our lives aren't perfect, and there are probably tons of people living a happier life in third world countries. but take a moment to look at what western society has achieved. not everything is bad. look at the field of medicine, or science in general. all that progress would have been impossible if there were no such things as jobs, economy and society. everyone who works contributes in one way or another. if you don't like what you're doing, find something else you like. that's your responsibility. you can't blame your job for having a shitty life. like you said, you're the one that's living your life, not your job. do you even realise how fortunate you are to live in the western society? people have more options than they'd ever had to make something of their lives. if you want to live in the third world, than go. and while you're going, take a moment to think about the people doing their jobs at the airport, the diners, the government, the hospitals, etc. without those people it would be much harder to get what you want. |
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our leaders sure can be happy to have people like you that are happy to be exploited! you just refuse to really think about it imo. |
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what sounds reasonable is to compare number of people dead while working and number of people dead while not working, proportionally to the time spent of course. to say "work kills x billion people" is not a point. |
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LOL |
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you know what most illenesses in the western society are connected to nowdays? |
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