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something really important for me. so i'm trying to get to these acoustic studies here in poland. the problem is - there is a musical test at the very beginning which i have to pass to start studying. the test looks like this: they play you some sound samples and i have to to guess the artist, the year, the style, maybe instruments used. of course not everything to one sample. but this is still quite difficult. ok - the artists aren't really rare - miles davis, hendrix and so on, but the problem is that since i haven't listened to anything else that electrnics the last 3 years i'm quite dumb in those areas. classical music is even worse with me but i have to know it to... so my question for you is - could you recommend me albums (best of's, compilations) internet forums, sites, wiki's about maybe the different styles of jazz (like bebop etc.), maybe some site with samples of the great comositors so i could get the most significant things?? every help much appreciated !! |
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No... how long do you have until this test? in all fairness, it'd take at least half a year of research, discovery and enjoyment of the music before you were ready for the test. there's no way of telling how obscure the test will be either. will they play you a movement of one of bach's brandenburg concertos, or will they play a movement from peter warlock's capriol suite? have you not studied music before? for this sort of test, you really should've.. otherwise you've a lot of work ahead of you |
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the big boys |
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my very first album, ever :) good times |
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my 'to listen' list is growing! |
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I bet there'll some shitty music in your test. Bad luck... |
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aw dude! i can't believe it. torrent it right away!! such a classic. don't mind the fact that take five is on it. yes it's a jazz standard but still, the rest of the songs are much better, especially "three to get ready"... the drumming in that song is just brilliant and as always, paul desmond kicks brubeck's ass on the solos. classic. :D |
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ill buy the thing tomorrow. my jazz listening is taking off this year, its just about all i listen to besides the 80s bits and pieces. |
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it's not like this! they just don't know that test to make for sound engineering so they make these stupid music test's. and there are rather simple and known samples. like the most popular like beethoven 9th symphony. i just need something to get the differences. |
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so the best thing for me would be site like: bebo: artist name, artist name etc. hardbop: artist name artist name etc. then i'll launch slsk and find them |
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sorry to throw about 5 days of jazz listening at you ;) |
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what a big waste of time. all of this. whatever. |
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you know i just made the decision some time ago that there is still so much electronic music there that i just don't want to divide my time on other genre's too. especially jazz - i guess this kind of music just needs so much concetration and time that i couldn't really get into it. maybe in a few years. |
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yeah. itll happen :) im happy with my electro -> jazz tradeoff. |
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ey come on dude what's going on? i thought you got away from your shitty attitude. |
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Go into a record shop, buy all the records, listen to them all. Remember everything about them. Pass the test. |
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we do stuff like this at college and so long as you dont have to guess the artist name its alright. some of it comes down to listening to production values and techniques to get a rough estimate of how old it is as well as knowing what instruments and style of playing are generally used in a given genre. If its an entrance exam rather them something you have been specifically learning for i doubt theyll pick anything too obscure and theyll probably being leniant on you being overly specific. i.e. jimi hendrix's 'crosstown traffic' could be 'mid-late 60s' rather then '1968'. |
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yeah - it's not even mi-late but just 60s' |
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well in that case so long as youve got a decent music general knowledge youll be fine. read a few quick-history books, one on jazz, one on rock/pop, one on classical etc or just wikipedia genres and follow links around. thats what i do when i have to write essays on a given style of music. |
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that's what my topic is about. jesus i just need some rough quick faq |
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Ooer. |
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I'll throw titles and you do the research on allmusic and slsk. Kind of blue, Bitches Brew, Dark Magus; Saxophone Colossus (this guy is still alive and kicking); Giant Steps, Love Supreme, My Favorite Things; Waltz for Debby, Sunday at Village Vanguard. There is quite a big probability you'll get a fragment of one the Coltrane's tracks I've mentioned - they are all absolutely perfect and instantly recognisable, so check them out first. Also, check ou the inspirations behind Dark Magus. |
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you know i just made the decision some time ago that there is still so much electronic music there that i just don't want to divide my time on other genre's too. especially jazz - i guess this kind of music just needs so much concetration and time that i couldn't really get into it. maybe in a few years. you're the one with the shitty fucking attitude. you have a love for electronic music, not for music. i find it to be deeply arrogant when people devote themselves to just one genre. completely ignorant. |
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wtf ? come on you know that you aren't able to judge me like this. on the other hand - even if it would be right is there a need to flame me now about it? why do you always need to play the mean motherfucker with his false theory's who always has the last word on every subject. keep this topic clean for christ sake. |
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has some genre descriptions and artist names. |
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what are my false theories? last word on every subject? you'd responded to me, asking a question, when i was trying to bow out before feeling compelled to insult you. |
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my god ! 25 replies and finally one useful. that's what i thought about. thanks mastah |
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Check out the recommended albums for the big umbrella genres on allmusic, then read the review and download the songs with the ''Rs'' and checkmarks. Then listen. Those ones are usually the canonized stuff ''everybody should know''... I can't imagine this test would have anything even remotely obscure on it though, these things are usually just formalities. Who knows though, I don't know what you're doing. |
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you seem to always know better what everybody's thinking about. okay - it's the internet. lots of hoaxes, fakes and stupid fuckers in here but that simply doesn't give you the right to guess if i'm talking bullshit or not. i'm much more in love with music and loving to listen to all kinds of music then quite a few people around that cannot even reply on the question "what music do you like?", mostly saying "radio music" i have discovered more music this year then my whole class at school will discover through 10 years or more. but i REALLY came to the conclusion that i'm not mature engouh nor musically experienced enough to throw myself at jazz just to say that it's relentless random shit after five minutes. |
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i'll explain it once again: the studies are about sound engineering. the problem is that there are mostly 200 people who want to get one of the 20 places there. so, they have to somehow sort us out. they could throw a coin, but they thought they would make this stupid music test. so it's just really everything about luck gessing the right artists to get one of those places. i really WANT these studies and i guess that i really am the rght material for this. i have some knowledge about mastering and sond engineering already to. so why should i fail because i don't know jazz music? come on... |
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i'm not saying you're talking bullshit. read my original post. i just have contempt for people who confine their tastes to one single genre. and sure, yes, i bet you do know loads of music that most people don't know. i bet you know loads of electronica that i don't know. but the fact still remains, the fact that you yourself admitted to, which is that you've no time for other genres.. so you know every sub-genre of electronica intimately.. so what? you're still dumb enough to say something like "[jazz is] relentless random shit." i'm not saying you have to love jazz, or even like it. i'm just saying it's not random (it's a fucking hell of a lot less random than a lot of bullshit electronica generated by "randomizers"). at least you have the sense to say that this opinion comes from lack of musical maturity and experience. this lack of musical maturity and experience is your own fault; it cannot be rectified in a hurried, frenzied music-learning session before this all-important test, and to do so would be ignorant anyway. to pass such a test on the knowledge of classical music "best ofs" and jazz "best ofs" would be a travesty. |
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Silly, anybody who can't hum Mingus' Goodbye Pork Pie Hat don't deserve to master no sound! j/k. Don't sweat it though, if it's luck, then it's just... luck. And you're not the only one fretting. I can't see this making or breaking your bid. Until then, better get on oink and download several ''The Idiot's Guide to (insert genre here).'' |
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the studies are about sound engineering. the problem is that there are mostly 200 people who want to get one of the 20 places there. jesus. good luck then. so why should i fail because i don't know jazz music? come on... yes, that's a fair point, considering it's a sound engineering course. however, the question is reflexive - why should somebody with an intimate knowledge of classical, jazz, electronica, world, rock, punk, ska and ambient music be refused from taking the course when mr. sadist is let in with his incredible knowledge of electronica exclusively? think about it from the perspective of other, more "musically experienced" people. perhaps you should take a year out before college and study other kinds of musics. if you can't stand what you hear, you most likely won't be able to stand what you'll be doing in college, since you can bet your bollocks that it won't be confined to the engineering and recording techniques of electronica. |
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Although Redrum is right, you may be at a disadvantage here, by the sound of things. In the long run, like. But fuck it, try it, cram. |
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I kind of agree with you, but you're being a bit harsh. "to pass such a test on the knowledge of classical music "best ofs" and jazz "best ofs" would be a travesty. " he's going to study sound engineering, meaning the test isn't really suited for him. however, I agree that you shouldn't confine yourself to a genre in everyday listening, sadist. you should just try listening to music you haven't heard before whenever you hear of it and decide whether or not you like it. there are lots of samples of just about anything on the internet so you wouldn't have to listen to any more than samples of anything. mortsto-x does the same as you (only he doesn't listen to "unsigned artists" because "if they were good enough to get signed, they would be signed" or something silly like that, and look what happened to him; no sense of humour and he looks like HC Andersen!). hihihi, din skitne jævel |
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you still think that i'm a dumbass right? you think that i believe that these studies will give me the opportunity to turn knobs 5 years and then be a succesful electronic artist right? fuckin hell. about the meaning of musical knowledge on those studies: i think it isn't important exactly on those. there are two schools of musical engineering in poland. warsaw and poznan. warsaw has always been the more musically experienced school - to be an engineer there i even need to be able to play an instrument, i would have lessons with singing and so on. poznan is a completely technical university. live concerts, radio's , television. it's more about electronics and the technical aspect of sound like physics and noise reduction. so to answer your question - yes i think they should take me with my narrow electronic music knowledge (again something you just guessed out of nowwhere) then some punkass kid playing the guitar for 5 years knowing more about music but don't even guessing the difference between a lowpass and a highpass filter. "more musically experienced" should go to warsaw. point. |
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electronic music is not a genre. what's really arrogant is insisting that someone else must seek out the music that you think is good. "anyone who isn't familiar with this polka should be ashamed of their ignorance!" nothing wrong with trying new stuff and being open minded, but you don't have to have an encyclopedic knowledge of the history of music to be a sound engineer. listen to the music that you like. sadist, it sounds to me like you're in a tough spot. it's like having eight hours to learn spanish, it's going to be very difficult. i'm not sure how much time you have, but i think you'll have a very difficult time. is there any way that the people giving this test would provide some sort of guidelines or maybe a list of essential composers/artists? |
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regarding your statement of "he's going to study sound engineering, meaning the test isn't really suited for him", I acknowledge that but addressed that in my last post. as for my harshness.. what can i say.. harshness seems to be the redrum-trait© of xlt, and i wish it wasn't, since it's completely at ends with how i am in real life. However, things like this (religious, voluntary confinement to one genre) really rub me the wrong way. i see not much better about listening to "radio music" 100% of the time as opposed to listening to electronica 100% of the time. |
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*i see nothing worse, really, about |
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yes, I was writing while you posted and didn't see your post until I had posted mine. |
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harshness is the xlt trademark of everyone it seems. boring, silly harshness who certain people seem to apply to everything because they think it makes them look like a monthy python cast member on line. |
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I'll agree with redrum just because you thought my post wasn't helpful. |
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"more musically experienced" should go to warsaw. point. that's totally fair enough. point well made, and accepted. |
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besides - i don't want to study engineering because i want to make better music. my life is sound in all it's aspects. guess what was the most interesting thing on our local astigmatic music festival? the artists? no, i watched that poor motherfucker with the sad face with the cigarette in his mouth sitting behind that bfg venice console watching the line faders to throw himself on one of those when one of those drunk mofo's on stage sticks his micro into the speaker creating a huge feedback. it was cold, it was raining but the cold thing i thought about was switching my place with him. yes i want to study sound engineering. |
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redrum - we know it's the internet. myspace, fake, chat, hoax, spam, but still - a bit more trust and respect and it could be a nice playground |
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What was I thinking? I've forgotten about "Brilliant Corners" by Monk and "Tomorrow is the question" by Coleman. |
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omg, i forgot you need to pass the ..."theory of music" [?] test in Poznan....good luck mate...... it's said that Poznan/Warsaw is more focused on music knowledge and e.g. Wroclaw/Gdansk is more into tech-no-lo-gy - right ? |
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hahaha! |
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