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In the depths of yesteryear I began the pretentious pursuit of writing a novel. I posted some shitty drafts and I have been making slow but gradual progress since. In fact I’d go so far as to say the actual plot is getting kind of interesting. I’ve started amassing characters here and there and it’s getting to the point where they need names. Here’s where the point of this post comes in. I need some names. Random names but REAL ONES ONLY please. They can be silly but just make them real not made up like Digby BAGFART or something. I only have two names as of the moment. The first is the main character who is called Francis Cole and the second is the protagonist called Jonas Scurlage so you know the ball park to aim for. Also any info or interesting facts about Monarch butterflies would be nice as there are swarms of them in the book and they are kind of important (due to an old Mexican myth that suggested they carried the souls of the dead to their resting places blah blah blah). Also place names would be cool, I need a name for a circus and one for a pachinko parlour. If anyone wishes to help I’d be very grateful. |
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woops the second is not the protagonist, obviously Francis is the protagonist... * |
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Madeline Maxfield |
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I particuarly need a name for a boy who is quite a key figure some what of a messiah (in a less biblical sense) and one for a Retard. |
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CYRIL SNEER |
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isn't there a Scandinavian myth saying about the same things but moths instead of butterflies? the souls of the dead turn into moths, etc. |
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Geoff Tindell Marcus Hodder i had to read a paper on monarch butterflies last year, i just looked it up apparently someone called Lincoln Pierson Brower is the big name in research on them so that could be a clever likkle reference maybe |
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when I need full names for characters I tend to grab a newspaper and recombine names in there. |
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ooo i am not sure, i'll look that up though. I quite like the idea myself, make sme think of thousands of these butterflies on some great advanture through dessolate and dead places to reach whatever is at the end. |
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I chose Francis Cole for real name link reasons. Cole for black, black for death etc and Francis for its religous and philosophical links. Scurlage was just a village i drove through and loved the name and Jonas just seemed apropriate for the character. Jonas is wierd because he is based on a painting and of all the characters he feels the realest. |
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btw, if the swams of Monarch butterflies are an important motif in your story, it might be a good idea to do some extensive research into the little buggers yourself. I mean, not read some articles on the net, really dive into it. it can help you come up with a lot of good material. |
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They aren't so important in a factual sense. I mean they first appear in dreams. They are more of a symbol or a sign. |
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you just were asking if people could give you information if they have it! that literally means you'd like more info, and I'm saying, if you're taking writing this story seriously, it pays off doing some research yourself. |
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No you're right and i will. I already have a list of books i need to trawl from the library. What i was asking for here was more things that might not be in books, or at least not in books i am likely to look up. I wouldn't have known about the scandanavian moth thing if you hadn't have mentioned it. Tid bits all add up :D |
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you'd probably come across it in those books, though. :P but really, I bet it's a myth that occurs in many cultures. |
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on a random side note.... "Butterfly" in English Middle English buterflie, Old English buttorfleoge (written citation 1000 C.E.) The Oxford English Dictionary notes some old Dutch words "botervlieg" and "boterschijte", and conjectures that butterflies' excrement may have been thought to resemble butter, hence giving the name "butter-shit", then "butter-fly". |
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I might also be completely wrong, ofcourse. I remember reading about it a long, long time ago.. |
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no no i think you're right. I mainly read about the mexican myth but in ancient greek myth the butterfly often represents the soul etc. You're also right about the reasearch heh |
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" According to Mircea Eliade's Encyclopedia of Religion, "In Madagascar and among the Naga of Manipur, some trace their ancestry from a butterfly. According to the Pima of North America, at the time of beginning the creator, Chiowotmahki, assumed the form of a butterfly and flew over the world until he found a suitable place for mankind. The Maori of New Zealand believe that the soul returns to earth after death as a butterfly, and in the Solomon Islands a dying person, who has a choice as to what he will become after death, often chooses to become a butterfly. In Islamic Sufism, the moth that immolates itself in the candle flame is the soul losing itself in the divine fire." Harking back to the ancient Greek Psyche as butterfly, there is an interesting coincidence in Aztec and Mayan mythology. Itzpapalotl is the goddess of the Obsidian Butterfly, which is to say, of the soul embedded in stone. The seemingly antinomian idea is that the free butterfly/soul is released from the body by the sacrificial blade of obsidian, and simultaneously captured or contained in it. Itzpapalotl is a counterpart of the god Tezcatlipoca of the Smoking Mirror; "tezcat" means "obsidian knife". The butterfly is also an attribute of Xochipilli, the god of flowers and vegetation, and is also associated with flickering firelight. (I suppose these names are Nahuatl.)" |
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well, I'll be damned. I didn't know that. did you know that the American 'cookie' comes from the Dutch word 'koekje' (which indeed means biscuit or cookie)? I think I got that from Stephen Fry in QI.. |
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someone write a book about this |
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I doubt its scandinavian, i've never heard of it least. Still, its pretty interesting to read about that stuff. The really fascinating thing about old scandinavian mythology/religion is that i think the vikings had a pretty laid back/humorous aproach to the whole thing. Some people believe that the vikings became christians only so it would be easier for them to trade with other people. Its really funny to see early scandinavian depictions of jesus. Made in gold, with a He-man like body. The vikings didnt want some wimp to lead them! |
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