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People don't need to know how their PC works to be able to surf the Internet, but can society 'progress' these days if knowledge of science (and the scientific method) is so scarce? Discuss. |
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interesting, i was thinking about this idea recently. i would say that there is definite power in those who feed us the technology. it's weird because there's so much around me that i take for granted. i use all these things without questioning how they work, and only really appreciate them on face value. |
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Learning as much possible about your environment and how things works should be taken into consideration by everyone. |
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the general publics knowledge of science and scientific method has always been scarce, and it's.. is there a word besides progress that means moved in this sense? progress implies we're moving forward, and I don't really want to say that. anyway.. society has.. moved in some direction regardless, and there are a billion other things the general public don't know about that still moves within its sphere. now I got to catch the bus use public transportation, kids! |
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it seems to me that the general public is becoming more ignorant of science. it pisses me off. |
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there are kind of like to levels to it though aren't there. most people don't specifically know how their pc works but more and more people are learning how software works and how to progress the technology through the tool that is their pc. |
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the air we breathe is technology and we dunno all things can do technology can do man with mind radio,television,internet...we got the power inside |
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if i were the king of the world i'd take occams razor through every religious institution. so there. |
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I don't know how my PC works, mostly because the motherboard melted and there's battery acid all over it rusting and etching away all the circuitry. |
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Use the force, Luke. |
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most people cant tell the time of day with a compass and by looking at the sun. we are truly a retarded species that have forgotten how to survive |
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yeah,jams...the fooooorce is the air we breathe (Ezk-congrats for the topic) |
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there's no doubt that we're domesticated. it's all part of evolution though. we're socialised into a society where technology is taken for granted but we still rely on it. in a way, it's not essential that we have to know everything about everything. in our society we only need a small percentage of people to specialise in something very technical. |
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moan moan moan moan moan moan moan moan moan |
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Pain or pleasure? |
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Is it naked chicks in 'messed up nike shoes'? If not, I like this nike better-make your own... |
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There's your science. |
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i think about this all the time. Ever read the hacker book 2600? |
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"but can society 'progress' these days" the progression is going in wrong direction as it is. and i think it was more scarce in the past, that's also why we got to this point i reckon. |
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if this thread was a band it'd be something like tool. |
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why? |
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sorry, but occams razor is one of the most shit concepts ever, and even for people who believe in it it ends up like something you can't really use for anything. |
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whats occams razor for? its so vague and pointless. yeah, the simplest solution is the best, but thats common sense, why does it need a fancy name? |
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i am a research scientist. i am happy to answer any specific questions you may have about science. see, i'm a professional science guy. |
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if you are from seattle..................... and are a research scientist........... does that mean you're a Discovery Institute guy ? |
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the problem is "necessary" |
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i always get so many people telling me all kinds of things scientists have just proven and I wish just once in a while one of them would understand what science is. but i dont think its that important for people to understand science, you'll find theres very few people who actually understand certain things which are extremely important in science. you can never understand things in the detail you would like |
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yeah,its simple |
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hahahaha. no. |
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i'm a scientist's hunch-backed assistant, not unlike the "igor" of the popular film "young frankenstein." if you would like, i can put forth questions pertaining to science to my master, then report back to you. should reality begin to frighten you, just do what i do, and silently repeat to yourself "it's only a model, it's only a model." |
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"most people cant tell the time of day with a compass and by looking at the sun. we are truly a retarded species that have forgotten how to survive" Errr... Isn't that telling directions with a watch and the sun? Unless the compass has some amazing chronological functionality I have been previously unaware of..... The general uneducated masses might actually be dangerous if they knew about science and technology, so probably for the best that they don't know anything. |
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aaarg! if the sun is due south in the northern hemosphere, its mid day. etc. etc. |
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how can society progress if the general publics knowledge of basic mechanics is so scarce? how can society progress if the general publics knowledge of construction techniques is so scarce? how can society progress if the general publics knowledge of internal medicine is so scarce? how can society progress if the general publics knowledge of religion is so scarce? how can society progress if the general publics knowledge of clinical psychology is so scarce? how can society progress if the general publics knowledge of proper procedures for keeping a restaurant kitchen clean is so scarce? you're just one of many who believe what you do is so fucking superior that everyone should know what it's about for society to progress. science isn't in any "special position" in any way and demanding people to know what the scientific methods are is just silly! |
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you know if the ancient and revered philosophers came to the future and looked at people discussing this tripe on internet message boards, they'd probably crack their jaws open and cram loaded guns down their gullets |
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i dont mean anything big, just basic fundamental science like "what are stars?" ive met people who genuinely thought that stars were just points in the sky, and when you died you became a star. and i say that they are balls of gas like the sun, and they dont believe me. and this is britain in 2006. |
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they'd do that way before they even reached the internet. |
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they'd stay for the coca cola |
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I've met people who believe that platon thinks that the idea of the perfect snail exists in the world of ideas. I've also met people who believe they can revert christians by telling them "facts about the world" (it's a particularly silly student organisation). also, most people I know haven't the slightest clue as to how they should construct even the most basic structure. how in the world is knowing if a star is a gas ball going to affect anyone but a.. I don't know the english word.. astronomer maybe? |
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i'd consider that basic knowledge. not really a matter of it affecting anything or anyone. Everybody knows they need to breathe oxygen to survive. Why? it's just a gas. Can't see it, taste it, hear it etc so why need to know the name? /rant. |
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well, yeah, that'd be a different thing. it isn't necessarily something I'd call scientific knowledge either.. you don't need to know the kinetic theory of gases or whatever it's called to know that you breathe. |
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and.. eh.. I wouldn't call believing that a star is another thing like our sun scientific either... it's rather common knowledge, so I think those people you talked to, ez, may already have believed that, but then someone have convinced them otherwise. |
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its not so much that knowing these facts is important, its that people base a lot of decisions on science they quite openly don't understand what i think is more odd is that most people dont know where their money is or how their pensions work or why its important to clean your cutlery properly or how to stop safely if your brakes fail or how secure their credit card details are when used online or at least roughly how a drug works before taking it |
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I agree with your point about so many people not understanding/caring about things like how their pension/mortgage/loan works, their legal rights, the weekly checks they should perform on their car/bike, their health, etc. There are also so many basic "practical" skills that involve little/no science that people cannot do themselves and instead are prepared to pay over the odds for someone else to do; wheel changes on cars, landscape gardening, furniture moving, painting and decorating, etc. We seem to have gotten into a bizarre situation where knowing how to do these things is somehow seen as a bit "geeky" (when in reality, they're the antithesis of geekiness) and not desirable to learn. |
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I know that my scientific education has given me great perspective on the significance, and relative insignificance of my own existence. I am not a religious man, but knowledge of science gives me great appreciation for the astounding coincidence that is life. Without my background in science, I would be a totally different person, mentally and spiritually. |
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copy and paste: We usually perceive our world, our way of living, as beautiful because there is nothing else to perceive. If one lives in this world, the globalized world of high technology, all one can see is one layer of commodity piled upon another. In our world the "original" is the proliferation of the standardized. Copies are copies of copies. There seems to be no ability to see beyond, to see that we have encased ourselves in an artificial environment that has remarkably replaced the original, nature itself. We do not live with nature any longer; we live above it, off of it as it were. Nature has become the resource to keep this artificial or new nature alive |
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whoever said that has never been to the Pacific Northwest obviously. |
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Godfrey Reggio Born in New Orleans in 1940 and raised in Louisiana director of films like Koyanisqatsi |
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what's you definiton of social progress and why do you think it'S so intimately connected to scientific progress? "I know that my scientific education has given me great perspective on the significance, and relative insignificance of my own existence. I am not a religious man, but knowledge of science gives me great appreciation for the astounding coincidence that is life. Without my background in science, I would be a totally different person, mentally and spiritually." this is an interesting point. but depending on you as a person, couldn't it be just the other way? that all being relative could render everything relativley small and worthless... think about social darwinism etc... |
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