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do you ever think about what separates awesome music from an average one? i normally don't, but this morning while listening something i started to think how brilliant it was and how there were maybe 10 outstanding album released in the past 2 or 3 years. and there's so much stuff coming out..and i don't know what it is, just something that makes more sense than everything else i reckon. maybe it's quite obvious when someone puts lots of effort into it, lots of feelings..and it's not like i start listening to something thinking this was made in two days therefore i don't like it, but with these albums that stand out for me it seems like they were all made through a longer period. i know qrter will now rush in and call me a jerk, but i'd still like to hear peoples opinion on this :) |
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Definitely true, I listened to Untilted in bed lastnight after a day of sifting through loads of minimal techno and the difference is immense. One thing I wondered is why no one can match Autechre. |
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*steals qrters thunder* jerk! but you are right |
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it is because autechre have the name and fame of being the greatest, like aphex. Arguably, i think they earned this fair and square. people simply arent allowing anything else to be labeled 'equally good' or possibly better. tolst: i always wonder about the same thing when, for example, there is only one standout track on an EP or LP. One track that is so fucking good, you just cant comprehend why the rest is so mediocre.. Anyway, too much music is being made. |
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taste, i guess |
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yeah, seems like the album or ep was made for the purpose of releasing that one outstanding track wich is completly stupid. who will remember that album after a few months? now if they would take their time and come up with more decent songs and put out a solid album that would be another thing, but very few people do that nowdays for some reason.. "people simply arent allowing anything else to be labeled 'equally good' or possibly better. " but you know, i think most often they are right. i don't want to do this either, but it's true, nothing you can do about that :) |
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yeah, some of it's got definitelly to do with taste, but i try to listen as wide as possible and you can find outstanding stuff in almost every genre. for example i can really like a certain track but it gets worn out after a while. with this outstanding albums im talking about that doesn't happen, so it probably isn't only taste..dunno |
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Maybe you should just accept that you don't really like all that much music. That way others are free to make their own minds up. |
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maybe i didn't put it right. i enjoy a lot of music, it's not like i listen to those 10 albums on repeat, but on a long run there are few albums i'd get back to while most of other music gets worn out rather quickly. |
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oh come on man, this is bogus :( |
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i'd say it comes down more to your taste in this case. you're talking about the subtle differences in your enjoyment of music. it's your personal taste |
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yes, but you see, most of these albums are, as j198 put it, made by artist that throughout the years made a name for themselves. surely that has some effect on my perception, but i don't think that alone would be enough to make me listen to something even if i didn't think it was that good. dunno |
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taste. i can't deny that my little cousin, forr example, enjoys will young grreatly, she rreally rreally gets a grreat deal of pleasurre frrom listening to him, prrobably morre enjoyment than i get frrom listening to aphex twin. obviously things influence and effect yourr taste, lots of things do. things otherr than the music itself effect why you'll listen to one album a million times and neverr appearr to get tirred. things such as yourr current borredom with the otherr albums you own, things such as how you'rre emotionally connecting to the music, just a currrrent interrest in the arrtist... lots of things. it's easy to forrget that on herre we all know each otherr because of a sharred interrest in cerrtain types of music. we somethings starrt to think we arre rright. |
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you shouldn't be so dismissive of influences |
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huh? :) |
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that's an excellent point |
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well, can't argue that. it's got to do with taste obviously, but all these things that effect ones taste, seem to most often come from established artists..i don't normally like hyped stuff, it puts me off even, but often it isn't hyped for nothing i reckon.. |
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some bands have just got it. pet shop boys song 'west end girls' is still an absolute landmark. theyre perhaps an example though of a band that loses it after a couple of decades.. but yeah ive been you-tubing that sort of thing and its been perfect. |
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ive also just split up with my girlfriend so the pet shop boys listening is inevitable :) :( :) |
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sorry to hear about that johnny. |
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thanks, im getting there. when the romance is gone, its the right thing to do. |
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i suppose so..still sucks though. back on the topic matter; i could also put it like this: there are albums you get more sense out of the more you listen to them. and then there are albums that seem totally bland the more you listen to them. and there's lots of these, just nothing in them.. ofcourse this is my subjective opinion, but as i said before, it's most often or always the established/hyped artists i get these extra thing from :) |
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most people on this board listen to way too much music or way too often (at least i do) compared to "normal" people. because of that it gets harder and harder to meet your standard of what a good music should contain or sound. sometimes i feel like a junkie who's constantly upping his fix. maybe former listening experience has just "spoiled/damaged" you so that you find it harder to find or enjoy great albums. i think this might be the case with myself. i just don't get why some totally mediocre bands are so popular because they don't move me one bit. you can listen to them but it's just like eating paper. |
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i only get into a small fraction of my music collection at any one time, its very directly linked to my mood. which is why i guess i find the radio unlistenable. not because of my likes or dislikes, but the broad mix that is served up often goes more against than with the grain. my workmate and i have a great time changing up lyrics though. we were singing along to a nickelback song 'this is your mommas ass, and every time i look it makes me laugh' |
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What? Tolst can keep posting on the subject of how much such-and-such isn't very good, but I can't post about how I don't agree? |
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im not saying it's not good, im just saying it doesn't stand out. |
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"because of that it gets harder and harder to meet your standard of what a good music should contain or sound." i don't have any standards really..i just recognize something more to it when i hear it :D :D |
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The cream has a way of rising to the top. Sometimes. But not often enough. Hughm. I don't know. Good music sounds striking or clever and average music sounds runofthemill. Eight billion variables, goes by a case by case basis. Sometimes I think about why I like Band A while Band B, which is really derivative or Band A or maybe even an INFLUENCE on Band A, just doesn't grab me, even if it's lauded. But in the end I can usually trace it to something as trivial as the way the drums are miked or the inflection of the singer or the stinginess of the white noise or something. Or something not so trivial. Means nothing to anyone but me, it's not rocket surgery or some sacred secret. Some stuff doesn't ''stand out'' because the hook isn't memorable, there's no otherworldly sound you didn't expect, no lyric that makes you think, the bass doesn't have enough oomph. Case by case. I know that sometimes I go in expecting something to sound a certain way and if I don't get what I want immediately, it'll taint the first listen or two... sometimes I wish I didn't have previous favorites to compare things to. Maybe that goes back to the ''we listen to too much stuff'' point. I just went back and read this paragraph and it's a real mess with no coherence or point. I'm glad I can't really be coherent about things like this. Let it always be a mystery. Now when it comes to things being ''objectively good'', I dunno how it works. But it does. I check out stuff that clusters of folk jizz over and I never feel like I'm wasting my time, even if what I hear doesn't move me. |
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nothing i can add to that. i like that part about unpredictivness. that's surely one of the most important things in music for me. to hear something you wouldn't expect and it just makes sense. not a lot of poeple can do that. but yes, it's a case to case thing. |
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It's always good to be surprised. But I think it's also good to just chill out and listen to ''safe'' things you know you'll dig. I have to temper the avant-garde with the Burt Bacharach and the ABBA, or I'll go crazy. |
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i couldnt disagree more. the main ingredient of appeal to music imo is familiarity, on whatever level. |
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"I know that sometimes I go in expecting something to sound a certain way and if I don't get what I want immediately, it'll taint the first listen or two..." I tend to do this much as well. Way too often have I thought "damnit why the hell did they have to ruin the song by using this note/sound instead of the other". I think excellent music is something that is walking on the very thin line between giving you what you want but at the same time surprising you. |
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variety is the nature all the trees got no apples... |
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we're talking in real loose terms here so im not exactly sure what you mean. but i get bored of music that is too predictable quicker. i should have never started this topic :) it's too abstract thing to talk about. as i said, it just came to my mind this morning when i was trying to think of a few more albums that hit me as much as that one i was listening to at the time and all i could came up with were quite appreciated artists. |
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"that is too predictable..." this words express the "idea" of this thread very well,um_? i feel this way,some musics ellaborated,like when a factory makes car. this musics are boring and makes ill people. music of imagination and sense is fun,is healthy. sometimes i ear music that when time goes by i dont like it anymore.Is a cycle of life,i make connection with music that rephlexthe way i feel. music of imagination and sense is FUN,is healthy and makes me sooooo goooooooood !!!!!!!! |
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