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check them out, all are unfinished trax ,192kbps mp3, |
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why don't you finish one of those and then ask me to listen..? |
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cybahplayah and waterproof punch are very cool. The others...not so much, but the are ok. What are you using to do this? |
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I'm not even that keen on hearing Autechre's unfinished tracks. |
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"why don't you finish one of those and then ask me to listen..?" Or take some in consideration...? |
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cybahplayah and waterproof punch are very cool. The others...not so much, but the are ok. What are you using to do this? thanks dude, ableton live & renoise I'm not even that keen on hearing Autechre's unfinished tracks. ????? why don't you finish one of those and then ask me to listen..? cauz i dont know how to finish tracks, ive never finished one. but i guess theyre worth a listening. its up to you if you wanna listen to it or not |
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Oh snap. My predictions were right on. I guessed both of thse programs. It seems like those two have a distinctive sound for some odd reason. |
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renoise is awesome, its just fun |
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yes renoise is awesome, but these tracks are not. I listened to the first one and cybaplayah and was dissapointed. The beat programming is ok, but you're doing nothing special with it. Maybe you should try tracking at a higher resolution, and use more sounds. Good luck. |
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for the style of music that these tracks would fit into, i'd say they're pretty good. personally not my thing but i can appreciate your attention to detail and some really nice effects you use. A+ |
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you'll learn the most from finishing projects. otherwise you'll at best get better at making beginnings and that's it. this pretty much goes for any kind of "art", whether it's making a song, composing a symphony, writing a short story, etc. |
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gescom hat im losing hair you must get the hat to me ASAP! |
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yes that is very well observed. When you finish something you can critically evalutate it. When it's unfinsihed there is always the excuse that "oh well it's not finished yet". Often things are unfinished because they aren't very good, one feels that it can't be finsished yet because it's missing that 'good bit' to justify its existence. Just bin it and do something new, no point polishing poo, it's still poo. I will now listen to the tracks, then give a uninformed critique of them. |
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what happened to you cygnus |
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cybaplayah starts very promising. it gets crappy at 0:51 with those stupid hihats. i think you should do more with the background atmospherics (those organ/string kinda sounds). beats get a bit better later on. |
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MECCRE - this is only a drum track from a song! It's like a multitrack with the drum track solo'd. You need to add something to it, maybe just swirling evolving pads or something, anything. Vocal samples from films, although cliched would set this off a bit. Also break it up a bit with sections with no drums, just synth sounds or something unlike a beat. Lack of BASS cybahplayah- mmm nice. wait...1/4 way through and I am now bored. Are you a serial abuser of copy+paste??? After the first quater you need to radically alter it or else the listener will nod off. It's not minimal enough to pull off copy + pasting, and not elaborate enough with minor manipulations to keep the same thing for so long, but upto 1/4 in it was good. Also drum sounds are a bit crap i.e. did you do import "REAL DRUM KIT #003" or equivalent? Please fx process the drums a bit first and it will work wonders. deezniggaz- extremely annoying. There are a few bars which are quite good but then they are repeated too much. Grab 8 good bars and use them as a break in another song to shake it up a bit before returning, like a middle 8 or something. magnet messanine - best so far. Might I suggest a synth in the background, not stabs or whatever, but actual rhythm. I would expect like a drum n bass style synth. Listen to bad company aka )E|3C and see how they do it and try that out. This could be started and stopped with an ambient loop building up then distorting to then fade out the distortion over the first 4 drum bars. Then end with the ambient loop creeping up over the last 8 bars thn playing out for 8 and fading out. This one I like. waterproof pouch - 2 seconds in and I think "Mr Oizo". This has the best sound to all of them, good frequency coverage, doesn't sound 'thin' like some of the others. Sounds like it was all point and click sequenced, needs a midi keyboard and some mod wheel action to improve. Assending sounds in the middle are tedious, make them rhythmical. Needs work, but could be alright.... |
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Production wise, magnet messanine is the best. Some of the others are seriously weak. I suggest you play it LOUDER at home and ensure your speakers give a decent frequency response (check that the EQ on system is not tweaked, you want to hear it "as is"). Do you have a microphone? Try mic-ing up your speakers and recording that just to make it sound less 'laptoppy' or 'plastic' as I tend to say. Also have you ever heard of distortion? And also velocity? A lot of it sounds the same volume throughout, this is boring. Get a wave editor and look at the amplitude dynamics (volume changes over time) of your songs and songs you like. Note the differences. Please use subtle amounts of distortion on some sounds just to rough them up a bit. I suggest getting some outboard gear. A cheap TC m300 fx processor will do great reverb... Some of the sounds you use sound like they are fresh from a sample CD, sample individual sounds from songs you like, drum n bass, techno, whatever. I'm talking drums here mainly. I can send you some sounds if you like. Your music sounds like it is trying to be something. I get the impression it is trying to be Autechre, specifically Untilted. It's fine to have influences, but don't do a verbatim copy. Remember, you are you, not them, play to your strenghts, not theirs. I hope I wasn't too harsh, I just said what I thought. I hope this helps you improve. I suggest that the next two tracks you post should have minimal 4/4 drums, so you can improve on the bits you need to improve on, once that is sorted, it should all come together. Good luck! |
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Some very nice tips there. |
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i like those jelinek melodies, but the hectic beats don't do it for me. |
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your musics are intense and concentrate to me |
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now that's dedication to the community |
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just too many letters |
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I can send you some sounds if you like. that would be kool man, atlantaprefecture@hotmail.com or theadvancedtherapy@gmail.com (no file limit i dont think) |
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You really need to reply to all the other comments as well cygnus. |
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ok |
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Haha! really, you do. 8 people have llistened and have given you some 'help'. |
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yes renoise is awesome, but these tracks are not. I listened to the first one and cybaplayah and was dissapointed. The beat programming is ok, but you're doing nothing special with it. Maybe you should try tracking at a higher resolution, and use more sounds. Good luck. what is wrong with the beat programming? what does 'special' mean and how does 'special' effect a beat? you'll learn the most from finishing projects. otherwise you'll at best get better at making beginnings and that's it. this pretty much goes for any kind of "art", whether it's making a song, composing a symphony, writing a short story, etc. the way i approach doing trax is real fleeting. its real fast and it goes by before i know it, i kinda get into focusing on one thing and i forget that there's other stuff. think playing with a buncha different colored legos but mentally getting into only one color fo the legos. unfinished though is unfinished these are just beats, i dont know how to do melodies and i dont really like them what happened to you cygnus are the trax that bad? i like those jelinek melodies, but the hectic beats don't do it for me. what is a jelinek melody? |
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MECCRE - this is only a drum track from a song! It's like a multitrack with the drum track solo'd. You need to add something to it, maybe just swirling evolving pads or something, anything. Vocal samples from films, although cliched would set this off a bit. Also break it up a bit with sections with no drums, just synth sounds or something unlike a beat. Lack of BASS with that track i am aproaching friends of mine in my town adn across who just love beats - thats what it is, just beats. when i listen to it its complete, i agree its thin though needs more stuff in the cracks. i dont really like pads or melodies or anything like that. are you serious theres no bass , the mp3 must've been fucked?? ybahplayah- mmm nice. wait...1/4 way through and I am now bored. Are you a serial abuser of copy+paste??? After the first quater you need to radically alter it or else the listener will nod off. It's not minimal enough to pull off copy + pasting, and not elaborate enough with minor manipulations to keep the same thing for so long, but upto 1/4 in it was good. Also drum sounds are a bit crap i.e. did you do import "REAL DRUM KIT #003" or equivalent? Please fx process the drums a bit first and it will work wonders. theres lots of copy+pasting, yeah. i love stuff that repeats itself. repetition. i agree though its pretty boring i suppose, needs more rounding out around the edges. the only real drums in it are the snare of course and the cymbal, rest i picked out from an NI sound library. i think the drums sound awesome, though your right could be better |
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deezniggaz- extremely annoying. its suppoesd to weigh in on you i guess. sort of like mental, or something, im obsesed with beats so i guess it doesnt phase me, i love it magnet messanine - best so far. Might I suggest a synth in the background, not stabs or whatever, but actual rhythm. I would expect like a drum n bass style synth. Listen to bad company aka )E|3C and see how they do it and try that out. This could be started and stopped with an ambient loop building up then distorting to then fade out the distortion over the first 4 drum bars. Then end with the ambient loop creeping up over the last 8 bars thn playing out for 8 and fading out. This one I like. i dont really knwo what to say waterproof pouch - 2 seconds in and I think "Mr Oizo". This has the best sound to all of them, good frequency coverage, doesn't sound 'thin' like some of the others. Sounds like it was all point and click sequenced, needs a midi keyboard and some mod wheel action to improve. Assending sounds in the middle are tedious, make them rhythmical. Needs work, but could be alright.... why?? i mean, why? why does it need a midi keyboard and some mod wheel action? i have so many 'whys' about this stuff cause its like, why do i need to do that? |
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Your music sounds like it is trying to be something. I get the impression it is trying to be Autechre, specifically Untilted. It's fine to have influences, but don't do a verbatim copy. Remember, you are you, not them, play to your strenghts, not theirs. i take offense to this. influence is influence man, its quite unfortunate that my music comes out sounding like my favorite music in the world, so maybe the blame is on my parents for letting me own a stereo. acctually lets blame my parents for maintaining reproductive organs,, if they hadnt then my tracks would not really sound like theyre 'trying to be autechre', they wouldnt actually sound like much at all. i am not trying to get a record deal or anything im just making tracks, if im not signed to a label in my entire life thats fine. im just making what i wanna hear I hope I wasn't too harsh, I just said what I thought. I hope this helps you improve. i dont think improvement really has much to do with anything man. to someone it might be fucking trash. 'diarrhea'. i sympathize with them cause i know its probably just not their thing, but improving to make my music more acceptable, more 'easier' to listen to, having more 'things' that you 'recognize' from other content and styles, why would i want to do that? why? thats not improvement , thats assimilation I suggest that the next two tracks you post should have minimal 4/4 drums, so you can improve on the bits you need to improve on, once that is sorted, it should all come together. why?? Good luck! i appreciate your feedback meng! |
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I don't think you're ready for anyone's advice. Just carry on making Untilted-lite "beats". |
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are you like that in real life? all snobby and shit? |
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he doesn't have a "real" life |
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Yep. |
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Yeah, clearly you're not ready for feedback. Perhaps you should have put some conditions on the feedback, like the music is only designed to be heard by your 'boys from the hood' or that the song is only "beats", not an actual track. Virtually the only thing you are willing to accept from me is free samples I have spent time and effort sampling and processing so they sound good, while ignoring most of what I have said. You said: " but improving to make my music more acceptable, more 'easier' to listen to, having more 'things' that you 'recognize' from other content and styles, why would i want to do that? why? thats not improvement , thats assimilation " WTF?? seriously? Why ask for feedback if you aren't interested in it? My comments were designed not to assimilate your music into the mainstream (oh no!! ) but to make it BETTER (to my ears at least), because at the moment it's sounding a bit shit. I'm a little bit annoyed that your brain is working thus: a)my tracks are only "BEATS". I don't care what people think b)give me feedback I want to hear what you think c)stop trying to assimilate me, how dare you suggest I am not as mighty as I think I am d)you are ALL wrong, I am correct, defence screens up, deflect any criticism of my behaviour. I could put up with your attitude, until I encountered this gem: "i appreciate your feedback meng!" So you appreciate it so much you choose to ignore it? I hope you and your mates enjoy those mad beats and all that, but when you tire of that and you are grown up enough to accept some friendly advice, then I would be more than happy to help you improve to have BETTER music, not trying to make it mainstream or assimilate or whatever else you are afraid of. |
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haha. you're the best |
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definitely not ready for feedback, but still shoving his tracks onto the board like there's no tomorrow "looking for feedback" nothing against you cygnus but you really gotta learn how to read better: dave_g said: I suggest that the next two tracks you post should have minimal 4/4 drums, so you can improve on the bits you need to improve on, once that is sorted, it should all come together. you said: why?? He already provided a reason why you should take it easy with minimal 4/4 drums.. but all you see is the negative criticism instead of his constructive criticism.. |
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after having listened to them, they're impressive, nicely programmed.. but not original, especially in the case of cybaplayah which completely rips off untilted (i think it's LCC) rhythms and, for want of a better word, orchestration. |
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