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         |  mappatazee
             from ¨y¨z¨| (Burkina Faso) on 2006-04-26 22:31 [#01887788] Points: 14302 Status: Lurker
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 | I have come to the conclusion that vegans are insecure. Yes, no?
 
 
 
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         |  darkpromenade
             from Australia on 2006-04-26 22:51 [#01887791] Points: 2777 Status: Regular
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 | I'm toying with the idea of becoming a vegan....... does that make me unsure of being insecure?
 
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         |  Gwely Mernans
             from 23rd century entertainment (Canada) on 2006-04-26 23:16 [#01887792] Points: 9875 Status: Lurker
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 | insecure about their health. 
 
 
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         |  Gwely Mernans
             from 23rd century entertainment (Canada) on 2006-04-26 23:35 [#01887797] Points: 9875 Status: Lurker
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 | I'm not vegan, but leaning towards a vegetarian. I don't eat much meat anymore and I'm starting to eat alot more organic
 foods. I'm pretty w/e about it, so when I went to a vegan
 buffet with some friends of friends, I saw how zealous the
 'vegan' culture is. It was funny actually, felt like I was
 in some interactive movie about stereotypical hippies.
 
 I'm glad I don't get too far into these kinds of things. I
 love anime but I don't go to the cons, I love nature but I
 don't get up at 4am and chain myself to a tree, I love
 healthy eating but I don't exchange facts between my vegan
 brethren at a buffet about how gogi berry yoghurt is great
 for the skin and valerian root tea revitalizes the bladder.
 Fucking geeks!
 
 
 
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         |  rockenjohnny
             from champagne socialism (Australia) on 2006-04-26 23:38 [#01887798] Points: 7983 Status: Lurker
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 | as a chef i cant comprehend anything less than a carnivorous diet
 
 
 
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             from your mom's room (United States) on 2006-04-27 05:41 [#01887875] Points: 2777 Status: Regular | Followup to rockenjohnny: #01887798
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 | I hear that 
 
 
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         |  Ezkerraldean
             from the lowest common denominator (United Kingdom) on 2006-04-27 05:59 [#01887880] Points: 5733 Status: Addict
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 | i dont understand why they object to dairy products. 
 
 
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         |  oxygenfad
             from www.oxygenfad.com (Canada) on 2006-04-27 10:47 [#01888143] Points: 4442 Status: Regular
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 | Cause the cow needs to be pregnant to produce milk. So not only are the cows confined to a life of child birth
 ALL THE TIME, the baby cow usually is tied by the ankles
 with rope and trapped in a small space to make veal.
 
 There is a by product of cheese call RENNET. It is used to
 coagulation the cheese.
 
 RENNET is an enzyme that is scrapped off the inside layers
 of a cows stomach.
 
 YUM NACHOS!!!!
 
 BELIEVE ME, Vegans and Vegetarians arn't throwing away the
 convinence of not eating meat for no good reasons. I know
 the stupid belief pusher left wingers can be a bother, but
 really it's all a very good idea.
 
 Did anyone see that BSE documentary that David Suzuki host?
 Bluck!!! Cow brains. Ewwww
 
 
 
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         |  Drunken Mastah
             from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2006-04-27 10:53 [#01888155] Points: 35867 Status: Lurker | Show recordbag
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 | MEAT!!!!! 
 
 
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         |  ecnadniarb
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 | WHAT THE MEAT? 
 
 
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         |  vlari
             from beyond the valley of the LOLs on 2006-04-27 11:39 [#01888219] Points: 13915 Status: Regular | Followup to ecnadniarb: #01888217
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 | hahaha 
 
 
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         |  swift_jams
             from big sky on 2006-04-27 11:39 [#01888220] Points: 7577 Status: Lurker
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 | I'm not insecure. :( 
 
 
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         |  staz
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 | let's overanalyze a choice on the internet, guys 
 
 
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         |  Drunken Mastah
             from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2006-04-27 12:47 [#01888288] Points: 35867 Status: Lurker | Followup to ecnadniarb: #01888217 | Show recordbag
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 | <3 
 
 
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         |  horsefactory
             from 💠 (United Kingdom) on 2006-04-27 12:48 [#01888289] Points: 14867 Status: Regular | Followup to staz: #01888286
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 | do you realise how often you post that "hey guys _____ on the  internet" shit?
 
 
 
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         |  Drunken Mastah
             from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2006-04-27 12:49 [#01888290] Points: 35867 Status: Lurker | Show recordbag
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 | hey guys on the internet! 
 
 
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 | hey guys i'm on the internet! 
 
 
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         |  Drunken Mastah
             from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2006-04-27 12:52 [#01888293] Points: 35867 Status: Lurker | Followup to horsefactory: #01888289 | Show recordbag
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 | WATCH OUT!!! 
 
 
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         |  horsefactory
             from 💠 (United Kingdom) on 2006-04-27 12:53 [#01888294] Points: 14867 Status: Regular
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 | what ??? ?? ? 
 
 
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         |  horsefactory
             from 💠 (United Kingdom) on 2006-04-27 12:53 [#01888295] Points: 14867 Status: Regular
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 | OH MY GOFD 
 
 
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         |  Drunken Mastah
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 | ENEMAS! 
 
 
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         |  ToXikFB
             on 2006-04-27 12:54 [#01888297] Points: 4414 Status: Lurker
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 | :o 
 
 
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 | :O 
 
 
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         |  staz
             on 2006-04-27 13:49 [#01888316] Points: 9844 Status: Regular | Followup to horsefactory: #01888289
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 | hey guys let's point out stupid shit on the internet 
 
 
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             from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2006-04-27 14:50 [#01888343] Points: 47414 Status: Moderator
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 | hey he just did it again! 
 
 
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         |  staz
             on 2006-04-27 14:51 [#01888344] Points: 9844 Status: Regular
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 | this thread just became very confusing 
 
 
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         |  mappatazee
             from ¨y¨z¨| (Burkina Faso) on 2006-04-27 21:32 [#01888498] Points: 14302 Status: Lurker
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 | Vegans are either doing it for 1) health reasons, or 2) 'compassion'.  Both of these are just to make themselves
 feel better really.
 
 1) Health Reasons is obviously false.  It's completely a
 psychological thing.  You say "ohh I felt soo much better
 when I went vegan".  Better than what?  I feel fine all the
 time and I never get sick.  Should I stop eating dairy and
 meat?  No, it's not that their health is poor, it's that
 they are psychologically insecure and focus on their bodies
 too much; it's all in their head; placebo.
 And you can't argue that it's the way we are meant to eat
 (biologically).  Think of herbivores.  They have multiple
 stomachs and stand around grazing all day.  Plant matter
 inherently has less nutritional value and energy and is
 harder to digest.  You can attribute your big brain and lean
 athletic body to the fact that we are carnivores.  If you
 want to stand out in a field all day, be my guest.
 
 2)  I would guess most of the reasons for this is based in
 spiritual and religious belief, which is by definition an
 insecurity.  Please keep in mind that 'empathy' was evolved
 as a way to increase the collective fitness of organisms
 with similar genes; i.e. other humans.
 
 
 
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         |  thecurbcreeper
             from United States on 2006-04-27 21:59 [#01888503] Points: 6045 Status: Lurker
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 | Why do you care about the dolphin? Do you know him? Does he call you at home? Do you have a dorsal fin?
 
 To train the dolphin, you must think like the dolphin. You
 must be
 getting inside the dolphin's head! Just yesterday I'm asking
 Snowflake… "Ee, eee, eee?" He said, "Eee, eee, eee, eee."
 And
 you can quote him.
 
 but seriously mappattazee, you are better than every vegan
 ever.
 
 
 
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         |  Dolleater
             from Afrika Bambaataa on 2006-04-27 22:31 [#01888510] Points: 4819 Status: Addict
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 | A world without sausage is a world I dont want to live in. 
 
 
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         |  cygnus
             from nowhere and everyplace on 2006-04-27 22:41 [#01888511] Points: 11923 Status: Lurker
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 | i was a vegan for a year 
 dropped from 150lbs (5 feet 11 inches tall) to 115 pounds
 ... wasnt working out too well, i thought every day that i
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         |  BoxBob-K23
             from Finland on 2006-04-28 02:44 [#01888562] Points: 2440 Status: Regular
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 | a) If people are ok with (themselves obviously) eating meat, then only high-faluting double standards will prevent an
 introduction of a human-based corollary diet. War should
 lead to a wholesale consumption of the other people's meat.
 Otherwise it's a waste of time and blood. Had people eaten
 one another at Dresden or Berlin... *sigh*
 
 I would not oppose the eating of human meat (or, for
 example, only Algerians) - or, more precisely, I would not
 go bombing such people's industries, just as today I won't
 go bombing the various death-based industrial plants,
 plantations and concentration camps. So, Hannibal Lecter,
 vampirism, and various South American cannibal tribes are
 neutral in my books.
 
 b) Genetically speaking, and you should know this folks
 (what with only a few percentile differences amongst
 thousands of species), the argument to proximity and
 sharedness is only valid if you consider the fact that for
 long people only cared about their own little clan.
 Civilization is nothing if not the expansion of the realm of
 care (to nations, continents, humanities, ecosystems). It is
 true that empathy has clear advantages in natural selection.
 That's because EVERYTHING does. The good and bad, Hitler and
 Elvis. Natural selection has no moral standards, merely
 survival. Natural selection doesn't "tend towards" anything
 (not brutal, caring or beautiful), since it is perfectly
 objective a measure. Thus, various "green" methodologies are
 nothing but methodologies of survival, and apt ones at that
 - which is proven by their popularity.
 
 c) Health is a side issue for most (except petty bourgeois
 wanna-be assholes), but a case can be made for such a diet's
 healthiness - or, more precisely, at an average carnivorous
 diet's unhealthiness. Negation of toxicity (carcinogens,
 saturated fats, excessive protein intake, excessive carb
 intake) can lead to a better regulated metabolism just by
 itself. Not to forget the essential vitamins, minerals and
 oils that one comes to appreciate on the way. Choose well.
 
 
 
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             from Afrika Bambaataa on 2006-04-28 02:48 [#01888564] Points: 4819 Status: Addict
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 | when you eat a person let me know what it tastes like. 
 
 
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             on 2006-04-28 05:08 [#01888629] Points: 23472 Status: Lurker | Followup to mappatazee: #01887788
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 | yes, that goes forr lots of things. 
 
 
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         |  Rostasky
             from United States on 2006-04-28 10:03 [#01888794] Points: 1572 Status: Lurker
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 | I dont eat meat because I dont think I have an interesting enough personality, so I develop habits that make me seem
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             from south florida, US (United States) on 2006-04-28 11:08 [#01888864] Points: 1441 Status: Lurker
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 | how are vegans insecure? that doesn't make one bit of sense. please elaborate.
 
 i think your mom is insecure.
 
 
 
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         |  oxygenfad
             from www.oxygenfad.com (Canada) on 2006-04-28 12:13 [#01888916] Points: 4442 Status: Regular
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 | Mappatazee, you are right it is a psychological choice. 
 "Health Reasons is obviously false."
 The health benefits inherent to being Vegan or Vegetarian
 are surprisingly very high in number. There are numerous
 articles to be found on the internet for you to read
 opposing your thoughts. Let them be the one to burst your
 bubble not me ļ
 
 The issue of "people being vegan for health issues" isn't as
 ridicules as you may think; you can easily find disorders
 that prohibit a person to cut meat out of their diet. In
 fact
 You would be surprised with the amount of people that where
 not eating meat IS a physical choice.
 
 BUT on the other sides of the coin, if you lack the IRON and
 PROTIEN needed to ¡Kwell ¡K LIVE, then you are fucked. And
 guess where Iron and Protein are found? Not in celery. There
 are health issues that come along with being vegan as well.
 
 
 You are right it is a psychological choice.
 
 
 
 
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         |  staz
             on 2006-04-28 12:21 [#01888924] Points: 9844 Status: Regular
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 | i eat meng 
 
 
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         |  mappatazee
             from ¨y¨z¨| (Burkina Faso) on 2006-04-28 17:59 [#01889064] Points: 14302 Status: Lurker | Followup to oxygenfad: #01888916
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 | Show me 
 
 
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         |  earthleakage
             from tell the world you're winning on 2006-04-28 18:15 [#01889081] Points: 27859 Status: Regular
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 | if they are insecure, it maybe more of a byproduct of choice considering they all weigh 4 stone and have trouble lifting
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         |  darkpromenade
             from Australia on 2006-04-30 00:28 [#01889777] Points: 2777 Status: Regular | Followup to mappatazee: #01888498
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 | "I would guess most of the reasons for this is based in spiritual and religious belief, which is by definition an
 insecurity."
 
 wow, insightful.................. please, tell us more.
 
 
 
 
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