 |
|
You are not logged in! F.A.Q Log in Register |
 |
|
 |
 (nobody)...and 585 guests Last 5 registered Oplandisks nothingstar N_loop yipe foxtrotromeo Browse members... |
 |
Members 8025Messages 2614128 Today 0 Topics 127542 |
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
Do some people miss their time to shine for one reason or another? For example SM Pennyworth, the talented fucker he is, was really shining a few years ago but now seems to occupy the same space as many lesser talented folk in many peoples minds. Grinning Ape on the other hand is having his/it's moment now and could blow up (as much as electronic music can blow up) or not...hopefully the former. What causes people to lose their shine? Is it that the personality in their music matches a specific time or is it simply a case of people get familiar and lose interest. From a personal point of view music must mean something to me when I listen to it...for a new track/album to do it I have to feel it emotionally at that time after which nostalgia is the key. Conclusion: Don't drunk and post. |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
there's too much music that sounds the same. |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
It's hard for artists to continue to push boundaries and produce new work that interests their audience/fans. Only the most dedicated or talented can do this over any length of time. Others will "shine' for a brief period and then sink back into the grey sea of mediocrity. The times when I have had strong, deep and lasting emotional respones to new music stand out so much for me that anything less really dosn't hold my attention. I can't wait for the next time it happens......... |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
lots of them come up with a good debut but either can't match that with the next release due to lack of ideas or just trying out with something that's popular at the time..luckly we have aphex and autechre :) |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
pennyworth just kinda disapeared is the thing |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
I was thinking about this the other day. The way people are recieved here seems, in part, to do with how often they post. When Ochre was around a lot more, his tracks were praised more highly. Now that he lurks more, even though his music has got better, people seem less impressed. Same goes for SM Pennyworth and Xanpha/Teapot (although I must admit I genuinely did prefer his earlier stuff, even though his later work is more polished/technically accomplished). |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
"Is it that the personality in their music matches a specific time or is it simply a case of people get familiar and lose interest." I think it's neither and both. Music producers change, their music changes and reaches different people. And the listeners - their tastes change to. There are also, of course, artists who produce the same music over years and music listeners who listen to the same scope of artists. |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
How long do you expect your time to last? Classical and jazz musicians are in for the long haul - they can produce well into their old age. They have roots and a sense of history. They develop their taste and discretion. Electronic musicians exemplify the worst aspects of pop music - shallow, imitative, all transient fads and gimmicks, and most of them probably have less talent and fewer skills than Ashlee Simpson. They can't play any instrument that doesn't have a "play" button. Of course they're disposable. They're the zero skill minimum wage employees of the music world. |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
cobblers as usual fleetmouse. |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
So have you missed your time? |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
Goodbye my friend it's hard to die When all the birds are singing in the sky Now that the spring is in the air Pretty girls are everywhere Think of me and I'll be there We had joy we had fun We had seasons in the sun But the hills that we climbed were just seasons Out of time...... |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
"They can't play any instrument that doesn't have a "play" button. Of course they're disposable. They're the zero skill minimum wage employees of the music world. " I'd say at least half can play another instrument (talking about people who are actually any good, even as amateurs, not someone who DLs floops then "remixes" the tutorials and that's as far as they can get), even if it is "only" the piano. How do you think they can play keyboard synths? And in any event, we can go back to the argument: If using a drum machine/synth is "zero skill", why can't you make anything as good as Drukqs, or as catchy as Alter Ego's "Rocker"? Now, I'm off to do some more pads and cut up breaks tracks for BIYC in Reason. |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
There's a lot of elements, timing, luck, right people all converging at that moment when one hits their stride making music, when the inspiration falls into place, or at least enough signs that point to potential genius, and that might only happen once in your life. And then how you react to that encouragement... I don't know, I've known quite a few bands that you'd say (Ok, I'd say) "Genius", no two ways about it, but they never break through beyond a certain, limited level. And then, yeah, the moment passes, and even the most devoted fan, after a while, moves on. And that's Rock Bands, with sex and performace on their side. Electronic musician, in the bedroom, doing the ocasional laptop show. Fucking hell, no chance. |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
How do you think they can play keyboard synths? They play all the white keys, and then they play all the black keys. And in any event, we can go back to the argument: If using a drum machine/synth is "zero skill", why can't you make anything as good as Drukqs, or as catchy as Alter Ego's "Rocker"? Why can't Aphex Twin make anything as good as Antonio Carlos Jobim or Camille Saint-Saens? Now, I'm off to do some more pads and cut up breaks tracks for BIYC in Reason. BAM! |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
They play all the white keys, and then they play all the black keys. I must admit, that is a golden rule of IDM: Never make a track using both black and white keys. NB: Unless you are Boards of Canada. I don't have time to address the other points as I'm working on some Absynth patches for my latest SAW2-derivative album. |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
even BoC went for a guitar. wimps. |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
i agree with fleetstreet mostly about wanky generic idm... except that i don't think that skill/technique is necessarily related to quality in art. |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
You can't follow rules when making music...that's exactly the reason most stuff these days sounds shite. Personally I think the reason Dan is doing so well is because of the way he approaches what he does...it a case of fuck everything that is being released/unleashed at the moment, he is just making music he feels based on what has inspired him from the past...if he was following the 'rules of electronic music production' he would just be another generic wank bag. |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
plus his online persona is incredibly sexy. |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
Without a doubt. |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
Dan is as precious to me as my own sweet kidneys. |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
your pepper'd kidneys. |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
except that i don't think that skill/technique is necessarily related to quality in art. Well there you go ruining my bull in a china shop troll-fest by making a good point. This is true. As a matter of fact sometimes songwriting and composing ability seems to vary in inverse proportion to one's ability to weedle weedle wee on an instrument. Still I am extremely sick of musicians who can't string two chords together into a progression hammering away at a drone for 6 minutes and excusing it as minimalism. |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
oops, sorry :) As a matter of fact sometimes songwriting and composing ability seems to vary in inverse proportion to one's ability to weedle weedle wee on an instrument. but as i said, you make a good point. maybe the problem is really that there's a lot of lazy imitators with bad taste... |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
is grinning ape ironic? is it just a massive drawn out practial joke? is it serious? |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
yeah, what the beat? |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
yeah so what? i used max/msp to make that. anyway, someone asked me to make a track using given samples, so i did. loads of people like it, so shove it up your arsehole. |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
yeah i'm more of a lurker nowadays and my internet is a bit too slow to post tracks over, but i'm making more tracks now than ever and getting more and more recognized i reckon, just not on here. also a lot of the old skool people just lurk nowadays and i had alot more fun posting tracks in the past. |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
why did you use max/msp to make something that could have been produced in the dance ejay 2 demo version |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
i use max/msp to generate my shopping lists. it's called alea-shopper. |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
loads of people like Black Eyed Peas. |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
im one of those people..well, i used to be. even bought a record, but that was before that lady joined in..they went a bit no no for me now. |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
well i promise my fame and money will not go to my head and i shall remain posting on xl. |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
or i might get my butler to do it. |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
you still have those in uk? do they speak funny? |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
i keep mine in the basement and dont allow him to speak. but other than that,yes they speak like posh fcukers. |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
maybe you could only allow him to speak if he learnt how to speak street style! yo wuz'up |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
to be honest ive not checked on him for about a week,i might throw a piece of toast down. |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
life's what's passing me by when i look out of the window |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
I'm still going to buy any album you release. |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
I feel like I might get inspiration any month now. Just you wait, JUST YOU WAIT! *waits five years* ... *goes bald* |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
lot of wank in this'a here thread. |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
i'd comment here, but i'd end up getting too worked out and shouting at somebody. to be honest, i could care less whether people here like my music or not. oh and by the way, I don't play just black or just white keys on my keyboard - i know my keys, thank you. |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
Increased with your post. |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
Who took my time?! |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
and this one. wank+! |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
there is also seeming to be a lack of enthusiasm amongst the electronic community - i'm finding more people who have heard of APhex Twin and Squarepusher but less who listen to "IDM" or even know what this blanket term refers to. No one seems to care anymore as the internet is now overproliferated with musicians, and it's hard to discern crap from quality, therefore listeners lose interest, musicians lose enthusiasm, and music itself goes through natural selection. |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
thats the only track i've done like that ever. as a rule i dont use samples. burps and squiggles is all i can say. horse, i may have been jesting.... max/msp |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
it's hard to discern crap from quality... umm, no it isn't. |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
you're living proof |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
|
Messageboard index
|
|||||||||
