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redrum
from the allman brothers band (Ireland) on 2005-12-21 14:23 [#01804643]
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from democracy now! wednesday 21st december 2005:
In recent days, Senator Barbara Boxer, Congressmen John Lewis and John Conyers, Nixon's former White House Counsel John Dean as well as numerous legal scholars have suggested Bush has committed impeachable offenses by illegally ordering the National Security Agency to eavesdrop inside the country without a court warrant.
Even conservative legal scholars have admitted the severity of Bush's actions. Norm Ornstein, a scholar at the American Enterprise Institute, said "I think if we're going to be intellectually honest here, this really is the kind of thing that Alexander Hamilton was referring to when impeachment was discussed."
Democratic Sen. Barbara Boxer of California said she had written to several constitutional scholars to ask whether Bush had committed an impeachable offense by ordering the warrant-less domestic spying.
Boxer's request came after former White House John Dean said Bush had become "the first President to admit to an impeachable offense."
Earlier this week Democratic Congressman John Conyers introduced measures to censure President Bush and Vice President Cheney - not for the domestic spying case but for misleading lawmakers on the decision to go to war in Iraq.
Conyers is also seeking the creation of a select committee to investigate the Administration's possible crimes and make recommendations regarding grounds for impeachment.
To back up his case Conyers has just released a reported titled "The Constitution in Crisis: The Downing Street Minutes and Deception, Manipulation, Torture, Retribution and Coverups in the Iraq War."
To support Conyers" efforts activists have also launched a website this week titled censurebush.org.
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earthleakage
from tell the world you're winning on 2005-12-21 14:28 [#01804645]
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yeah right. and martin mcguinness will admit he's a terrorist.
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qrter
from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2005-12-21 14:35 [#01804647]
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as soon as activists launch a website to support something, you know the cause is lost..
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mimi
on 2005-12-21 14:35 [#01804648]
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too bad it will never happen
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r40f
from qrters tea party on 2005-12-21 14:41 [#01804653]
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its amazing he can actually come out and say that and still there's no way he'll be impeached. i wouldn't be surprised if he won a third term.
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staz
on 2005-12-21 14:44 [#01804656]
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unless they're on geocities sites.
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mimi
on 2005-12-21 14:54 [#01804659]
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moether fuck!
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swears
from junk sleep on 2005-12-21 14:56 [#01804660]
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I would be suprised, because American Presidents can only run for two. Why are all liberals retards?
Bush is absolutey impecable. I think he should be made a saint. He has brought back hope and justice to the average American, after the dark days of that pervert Clinton's administration. Hopefully Chaney will be elected predident in 2008.
God bless ya, Dubya!
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r40f
from qrters tea party on 2005-12-21 14:58 [#01804661]
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i didn't think you were smart enough to be sarcastic, but i guess i was wrong about you, herr troll.
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swears
from junk sleep on 2005-12-21 15:02 [#01804663]
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I'm being completely sincere.
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magness
from astroblaster (Antarctica) on 2005-12-21 15:30 [#01804678]
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i think you are the reason most of the world hates americans
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swears
from junk sleep on 2005-12-21 15:44 [#01804683]
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lol I'm British! I'm actually pretty nihilistic and apolitical, although I fing the right-wing "interesting".
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virginpusher
from County Clare on 2005-12-21 15:51 [#01804686]
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the truth is always the best! :D
ha!
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magness
from astroblaster (Antarctica) on 2005-12-21 15:54 [#01804687]
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lol... yes; the british are the reason most of the world hates americans. thanks a lot asshole! heheh
i'm glad you were kidding, i've always liked your posts
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DeleriousWeasel
from Guam on 2005-12-21 16:17 [#01804698]
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i'm glad you were kidding, i've always liked your posts
surely his political stance shouldn't alter the way you view his other posts? That's like saying you won't listen to any Michael Jackson post-Thriller becuase he became white! You're so superficial!
Racism! Impeach Bush! New Pope!
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magness
from astroblaster (Antarctica) on 2005-12-21 16:22 [#01804700]
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yah but I don't really enjoy his tunes like I used to because I think now he gives me the creeps... i *am* influenced by the halo effect
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swears
from junk sleep on 2005-12-21 16:50 [#01804705]
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I do like Reagan though. Seriously.
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BoxBob-K23
from Finland on 2005-12-22 00:35 [#01804791]
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you're just saying that coz you just LOVE thatcher, and Maggie and Ronnie are best friends in the whole wide world... or were, until Ronnie went senile and then down under (no, not australia).
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Ceri JC
from Jefferson City (United States) on 2005-12-22 02:08 [#01804809]
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Swears for president!
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bill_hicks
from my city is amazing it is calle on 2005-12-22 02:42 [#01804818]
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Hitler apparently was a really nice guy when he wasn't killing Jews.
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swears
from junk sleep on 2005-12-22 08:47 [#01804918]
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I would make a fuckin' awesome president. I'd have the Arabs and Isrealis drinking bottles of Miller and singing along to Journey's "Anyway you want it", whilst giving each other high fives.
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elusive
from detroit (United States) on 2005-12-22 08:57 [#01804923]
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impeacing him would be good but you gotto get rid of the puppet masters as well, not just the puppet
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elusive
from detroit (United States) on 2005-12-22 08:58 [#01804924]
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Getting them to listen to Boston, no problem
getting them to listen to Journey, now THAT' TAKES DEDICATION
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plaidzebra
from so long, xlt on 2005-12-22 09:05 [#01804928]
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President Swears, who was elected despite being a British citizen in a landslide victory as the leader and sole member of the Fuckin' Awesome Party, was assassinated as he sipped a cold bottle of Miller in the Oval office to the booming strains of popular rock music by artists such as Journey and Boston. A memorial will be held in which a ceremonial Miller will be spilled in his honor. Police have detained suspected gunman who has been described only as a "liberal retard."
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fleetmouse
from Horny for Truth on 2005-12-22 09:10 [#01804934]
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Never did Men wear greater Breeches, or carry less in them of any Mettle whatsoever.
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elusive
from detroit (United States) on 2005-12-22 09:10 [#01804935]
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21 gun salute sounded off while Boston's "Cool the Engines" played in the background.
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elusive
from detroit (United States) on 2005-12-22 09:11 [#01804937]
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heh, you are a member of FAP
FAP*FAP*FAP
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virginpusher
from County Clare on 2005-12-22 09:14 [#01804940]
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SUDDEN_LOL
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euphonicfilter
from illadelphia (United States) on 2005-12-22 09:21 [#01804947]
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bush wont be impeached...it wouldnt serve any purpose
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swears
from junk sleep on 2005-12-22 09:27 [#01804951]
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Who gives a fuck anyway?
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plaidzebra
from so long, xlt on 2005-12-22 09:31 [#01804955]
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the both of you are off the fucking topic.
waitaminit.
ok, sorry, you're on topic.
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virginpusher
from County Clare on 2005-12-22 10:23 [#01804975]
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The creator of this thread
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euphonicfilter
from illadelphia (United States) on 2005-12-22 10:26 [#01804977]
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swears...arent you british?
of course you can say who gives a fuck - its not your country thats making such an ass out of itself to the entire world...
(of course tony blair does do a good job but not NEARLY as well as w)
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swears
from junk sleep on 2005-12-22 10:40 [#01804983]
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I'm just kidding, obviously loads of people are obssessed with the issue.
I think Tony Blair is okay, at least he's not a socialist. I'll probably be voting Tory at the next election.
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somejerk
from south florida, US (United States) on 2005-12-22 10:46 [#01804989]
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it will never happen, even though he finally admitted that the info they had on Iraq was crap.
as an American, i can say that he truely represents the majority of our population, elected or not.
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redrum
from the allman brothers band (Ireland) on 2005-12-22 10:49 [#01804990]
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you might regret saying that.
although i agree with it. i've been shot down very angrily for saying things like that here before.
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somejerk
from south florida, US (United States) on 2005-12-22 10:54 [#01804994]
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why would i regret typing that? it's the truth.
many people here like bush, because he is stupid, speaks slowly, and fumbles on big words, just like the majority of the population in the US. there are a lot of people that are smart and know the truth of the situation, about all of the ties between the Bush family and co., etc. but most people dismiss it as propaganda, lies, just too crazy to be true. these are the people that live in fear of terrorist activities that will probably never happen here and happy to hand their rights over because they have "nothing to hide".
fuck these people. "total destruction is the only solution" is something that comes to mind everytime i start talking or thinking about politics and/or government.
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somejerk
from south florida, US (United States) on 2005-12-22 10:55 [#01804996]
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ps happy holidays
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redrum
from the allman brothers band (Ireland) on 2005-12-22 10:59 [#01805004]
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i regretted saying it here even though i explicitly said that there are many, many smart americans..
but yeah. happy christmas.
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mimi
on 2005-12-22 11:04 [#01805005]
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erm i think people find it easier to take their population being insulted by someone who is a part of it, you saying it isn't really the same thing as him saying it.
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redrum
from the allman brothers band (Ireland) on 2005-12-22 11:07 [#01805006]
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fair point.
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glasseater
from Switzerland on 2005-12-22 11:08 [#01805007]
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viva Evo Morales
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euphonicfilter
from illadelphia (United States) on 2005-12-22 11:21 [#01805011]
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somejerk is right...and as such...has consequently become my hero
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Ezkerraldean
from the lowest common denominator (United Kingdom) on 2005-12-22 11:22 [#01805013]
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impeached? hopefully
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virginpusher
from County Clare on 2005-12-22 12:00 [#01805039]
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i think thats beacuse everytime you post about politics its very anti american. Your view on us as a whole is very low and its borderline insulting at times.
But you know what... i live here and i see where you are coming from because i get sickened by it too. ;)
Merry Christmas!
<3
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redrum
from the allman brothers band (Ireland) on 2005-12-22 12:07 [#01805042]
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in the same post:
I don't think any of these people reside on this messageboard -- idm would be a little beyond them -- and I do absolutely acknowledge the fact that there are great, sound American Joe Bloggses out there. What I have a problem with is this overwhelming majority of IDIOTS, the sort of people who say speaking out against a government is unpatriotic, even though that's the very freedom of speech that they hold so dear as to inflict a horrific war of plunder - in the name of liberation of things like speech.
...I just want to get across that I'm not casting a blanket expression over ALL Americans (even though I stand by the title of my topic, as I believe that something as ill-concieved and pathetic as this could only come out of America, where the #1 reason you are alive is to MAKE MONEY.)
But yeah sure. I'm "anti-american". Happy Christmas. <3
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virginpusher
from County Clare on 2005-12-22 12:16 [#01805043]
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For the most part i am too probably. too many idiots...republican and democrat alike IMO.
For the most part its screwed and overly materialistic. People know very little of what goes on anymore because they are busy worked 45,8565 jobs to buy shit they dont need. They pick a party and then bash the opposing without so much as knowing that they are both horribly flawed.
Instead of debating about how to better the country/world/universe time is spend on ruining the opponants image through smear tactics and virtually bringing them down to a point where i'd much rather vote for the average McDonalds employee.
Democrats dislike republicans and act like condensending pieces of shit. Republicans are stubburn to the point where even if the answers where in front of them they wouldnt change a damn thing. Neither party can benefit society with their bullshit popularity contest.
My opinion: Just shut the fuck up and fix shit. I dont wanna hear about it.. i want to see it. And until i do all i can hear is the faint sound of some media journalist stroking his undersized and out of commission salami to audio clips of someone talking out of context about something else.
Fuckem all. Start over. The system of operations here is showing its overall inefficancy. Time to start from scratch.
just wanted to get that off my chest.
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redrum
from the allman brothers band (Ireland) on 2005-12-22 12:19 [#01805045]
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:)
in your own words:
that was a good post :)
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swears
from junk sleep on 2005-12-22 12:37 [#01805049]
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Yeah, in the words of punk band Crass, "Stuff the lot of 'em."
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virginpusher
from County Clare on 2005-12-22 12:56 [#01805056]
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thanks! :D
swears: ah crass! That bring memories flooding back
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