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theo himself
from +- on 2005-12-12 07:53 [#01798750]
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I have 2 GB of samples of every piece of every professional drum kit on my computer. I have a keyboard w/ midi out.. I dont like the drums in it.. anyway - let's say I open a track in cubase. I drum out a pattern, how can I make that pattern basically a variable that I can change the different hihats, snares, kicks etc afterward? I hate this shit! I know it's very basic but Ive never used it or bothered to learn it. I could do this in a tracker, but I need to play it out live and feeeeel it maaan, y'know?
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Drunken Mastah
from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2005-12-12 07:54 [#01798753]
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that stuff's way easier in reason...
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mylittlesister
from ...wherever (United Kingdom) on 2005-12-12 07:55 [#01798754]
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when you say "change the different hihats, snares, kicks etc afterward", do you mean change the sounds used or the rhythms played?
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impakt
from where we do not speak of! on 2005-12-12 08:03 [#01798766]
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You record the midi-sequence and let it trigger your samples..
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Oddioblender
from Fort Worth, TX (United States) on 2005-12-12 08:05 [#01798768]
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i don't get MIDI either, and for some reason ever since i installed my soundcard a year or more ago, i can't hear any MIDI anymore. it's not like i'm really missing out though.
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fleetmouse
from Horny for Truth on 2005-12-12 10:13 [#01798857]
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theo, you need to get some kind of sampler, load it in Cubase, direct the output of your midi track to the sampler, and load your samples in the sampler. It's not brain surgery.
oddioblender, are you saying you can't hear midi in a sequencer or in Windows e.g. when playing a midi in winamp?
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fleetmouse
from Horny for Truth on 2005-12-12 10:38 [#01798869]
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qrter
from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2005-12-12 10:39 [#01798870]
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jesus the idea of theo performing brain surgery just filled me with dread
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horsefactory
from 💠 (United Kingdom) on 2005-12-12 10:42 [#01798871]
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how
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fleetmouse
from Horny for Truth on 2005-12-12 10:46 [#01798872]
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Maybe a simple trephination on himself to warm up...
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fungusman
from Monster Island on 2005-12-12 12:07 [#01798918]
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:HUGE FUCKING FONT: H A L I O N :HUGE FUCKING FONT:
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Drunken Mastah
from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2005-12-12 12:12 [#01798920]
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do u
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horsefactory
from 💠 (United Kingdom) on 2005-12-12 12:24 [#01798925]
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.........ssshhhhhhooooooooottttttttt.......
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Drunken Mastah
from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2005-12-12 14:03 [#01799041]
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theo himself
from +- on 2005-12-12 14:06 [#01799051]
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..I mean change the sounds used. no changes to the rhythms I played
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qrter
from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2005-12-12 14:08 [#01799053]
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sounds like you are a slave to the rhythm.
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horsefactory
from 💠 (United Kingdom) on 2005-12-12 14:32 [#01799092]
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as fleetmouse said, as long as you have the midi sequence you can send it to any (vst) sampler in which you have mapped the notes from the sequence to your IDM Sample Pack sounds. this really is the most basic webshot.
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C738
from Outer Space on 2005-12-12 14:45 [#01799120]
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try ableton live there is this small drumsampler in it... simpler is its name I think.
If you add kontakt or battery to your setup, you can use those in ableton. Badass sampling tools :)
-C-
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Ceri JC
from Jefferson City (United States) on 2005-12-12 16:12 [#01799228]
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Tip; anyone who talks about "hearing midi" probably doesn't know what they're on about. It's not impossible to do, but it's not particularly pleasent.
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fleetmouse
from Horny for Truth on 2005-12-12 16:44 [#01799282]
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Tip; anyone who talks about "hearing midi" probably doesn't
know what they're on about. It's not impossible to do, but it's not particularly pleasent.
Ha ha, yeah, but I've done tech support so my brain quietly and automatically translates "I can't download the internet" into something intelligible. :D
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big
from lsg on 2005-12-12 16:47 [#01799285]
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did you sent your customers the 'how do i shot web' picture for an answer?
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glasse
from Harrisburg (United States) on 2005-12-13 00:26 [#01799497]
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Do you have a midi interface to your computer? That is the first thing you need. I have a Tascam US428 which is an audio interface, midi interface and control surface all in one. Once you have that, what comes next depends on what OS you are running. Of course you would have run the installers and have the ASIO audio drivers in the proper folder so that Cubase can talk to your unit about audio, but then you have to get them to be able to talk about midi as well. I am still running Mac OS9 because of the version of Cubase I have, so I had to use a program called OMS, which basically manages a profile of all your devices and handles incoming and outgoing midi both between apllications and applications and outside devices. Mac OSX has a built in midi manager to do this and I am not sure what Windows has.
Anyway, in OMS I would run a wizard which searches for connected devices, finds the midi driver which installed with the audio drivers, and puts it in the profile. Now when I am in Cubase I can select my midi device as the outgoing port when I create a new track the same way I would select a virtual instrument. I can also go into my midi preferences and tell Cubase to accept incoming midi messages from my midi device.
More to come in my next post...
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glasse
from Harrisburg (United States) on 2005-12-13 00:41 [#01799500]
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Midi works on a 16 channel standard. Most samplers and drum machines will have 16 sound banks, one for each channel. Synthesizers and workstations, even if they have 1,000 patch banks, will usually have a multimode or performance mode for managing songs which will have 16 sound banks and, if it is a workstation, 16 sequencer banks. Cubase will also have 16 midi channels as well. So if you have sequencer data on channels 1, 2, and 3 in Cubase, and Cubase is connected to your synthesizer, the sound assigned to channel 1 on your synth will play the data sent on channel 1 from you Cubase sequencer, and so on. The same works the other way, and this is where what you wanted to do comes in. Set the bank that you want to perform on your instrument to channel 1, (you may have to have a performance/multi created to do this, or may be able to send midi from patch mode, depending on the instrument), and set up a midi track set to the same channel, select it, and record (make sure you have a midi cable going from midi out on your instrument to the midi in on you computer interface). It should record the sequencer data you just played. You can quantize or manually edit it then, too. Now, change the outgoing port on the midi channel to a virtual instrument, in this case a sample bank such as loopazoid or whatever, and it will play back the samples loaded to the banks you assign.
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Taxidermist
from Black Grass on 2005-12-13 02:58 [#01799510]
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You need to install a soundfont as default for your gm soundbank.
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fleetmouse
from Horny for Truth on 2005-12-13 08:11 [#01799601]
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Very good, glasse.
also, MIDI Tutorial
Very basic and a little out of date but that's what's needed here I think.
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theo himself
from +- on 2005-12-13 10:01 [#01799692]
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so I'll need to run a program I have within another program I dont have? know any shorter cuts?
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Zephyr Twin
from ΔΔΔ on 2005-12-13 10:41 [#01799707]
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what about using a midi controller keyboard to trigger notes in a software synthesizer... wouldn't that be "hearing" midi to a certain extent?
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Oddioblender
from Fort Worth, TX (United States) on 2005-12-13 10:45 [#01799710]
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i can;t hear midi at all. they play, but no sound. all my other sound works fine.
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Taxidermist
from Black Grass on 2005-12-13 14:08 [#01799890]
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You need to install a soundfont as default for your gm soundbank.
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Quoth
from Sweden on 2005-12-13 16:06 [#01799945]
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thank you for that link... even the basic of MIDI setups can be very hard for a person like myself... the link helps
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JivverDicker
from my house on 2005-12-13 16:12 [#01799948]
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What's your power supply set to on your machinedrum Quoth? Mine might be dead.
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Ceri JC
from Jefferson City (United States) on 2005-12-14 03:38 [#01800108]
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At the risk of sounding condescending, no, it wouldn't be hearing midi. It'd be hearing a softsynth. The midi would just trigger the softsynth. It sounds anal, but it's a very important distinction to make. People's willingness to blur the definition of it in this way causes no end of problems, not least poor Theo's.
It is theoretically possible to convert midi data into sound through re-wiring the cables (I've not seen a software app that does it yet- could be an interesting noise VSTi...), but like most digital data, the sound wouldn't be too nice, nor would it audibly bear any resemblence to the notes played.
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theo himself
from +- on 2005-12-14 20:00 [#01800754]
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is this a really simple thing I'm laboring over? let me know. if all I need is a new vst and a program to run it in let me know.. fer'chrissakes
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