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here and now boom praises, reminesces, recommendation when did Miike first change your life go..............................................> |
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I saw this one film, forget what it was called. Anyways, it was some poor excuse at a high art film. From that day forward, I vowed never to watch a takashi miike film again. My life has drastically changed since then, because before that day, I really wanted to watch a takashi miike film. ;) |
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o you poor misguided blashpheming soul high art and Miike go together like Arabs and Foreskin... he makes films on budgets smaller than a Hollywood Gaffers catering bill, it is pure pop trash art guranteed to offend some at all times and all at some time or the other... sure with his astounding output...(upto 10 films a year) there are duds galore even his duds have more mind boggling ideas than a years worth of mainstream cinema seems like you need a shot intravenous...Audition is where I started...Ichii the Killer is the pinnacle to many... Ta |
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Hah! I am just kidding. I didn't mind the film, but it didn't go anywhere that I felt satisfying. I intend to see audition as soon as I can. :) |
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ah ye shall be blessed :) |
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oh my god, now we're talking! I've got 15 gigs worth of Miike on my harddrive, plus two retail dvds (Dead or Alive 1 and 3). *sigh* ... where to begin... I know, from the bad: He's made such BAD films and such TASTELESS films... Some of his films are utterly worthless, they have zero cinematic value, they have few redeeming qualities and are a total waste of time... These include Deadly Outlaw Rekka, Silver and Full Metal Yakuza... But I have to confess I enjoyed watching all of them! But they're really REALLY bad cinema! Be warned and enjoy! Now for the real gems: Oh my, oh my... He's made SO MANY GREAT FILMS, it's incredible. From the bloody and "cool", like the Dead or Alive trilogy (worth watching for the surrealities alone!) or Ichi The Killer or Agitator, to the slow and meditative, like The Bird People In China or Audition or the three films in the "Black Society" Trilogy (Shinjuku Triad Society, Rainy Dog, Ley Lines), he's delivered QUALITY to my life. You know, everybody I know (except Q.Tarantino - whom I don't know anyhow), as a default, has totally abhorred and despised IZO (that recent adventure into incomprehensibility)-- But _I_ think it's one of the most touching films of all time! In fact it's all of these things: hilarious, violent, dramatic, emotional, psychoanalytic, anarchistic, anti-statist, futuristic, nostalgic, sexual, corny, camp, musical, theatrical etc etc... 11/10! So, IZO is probably my favourite, but who could forget Happiness Of The Katakuris, or Visitor Q, or Gozu? I'm not sure if these would the films to _start_ with if you're unfamiliar with Miike's stuff, but they are the ultimate conclusion and epitome of what he's all about, methinks... ;) I mean: milk, guys, you just can't go wrong with Miike and milk! |
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I love most of Miikes movies that I have seen! I do however often like movies because they are so bad (like dead or alive 3). ichi is awesomely funny happiness of the katakuris even more so |
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I liked Visitor Q for its lightheartedness, Audition was very cool and there were some good things in Ichi, but there was nothing interesting in others I watched like Lay Lines, Rainy Dog, Izo and Zebraman. BoxBob, I understand why you think Izo is touching, but c'mon, it's just an excuse to make a slasher. You're insulting the 100-year history of cinema by calling it one of the most touching movies of all time. To be honest I was fascinated by Miike a couple of years ago, but the more of his movies I watched, the less appeal they had. Same with Tsukamoto, same with every Japanese eccentricity. |
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Yeah I am having a very hard time keeping up with the bastich... I have got 7 of his DVD's on retail..including the DOA trilogy plus I cach everything I can at the festivals... IZO and The Bird People of China I just found out about yesterday and am anxious to sample...because DOA2 with its Birds motifs is one of my all time faves....And the Black Society Trilogy how does that stack up against DOA trilogy? One Missed Call is the only film I didn't really enjoy because it was too.. derivative of the Ringu motif.... His contribution the the THREE EXTREMES Anthology (The Box) was..stunning!... reminded me of Santa Sangre... One of his best also AK47's favourite isn't available on DVD to my knowledge...it's the remake of "Graveyard of Honour"..it 's Miike in the rare brutally realistic (as opposed to wildly surrealistic and hellucinatory) modes |
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qrdl, you say Visitor Q was... lighthearted? what, what, what does that mean? ehm, OK then! :0 As for Zebraman and One Missed Call, I would add them to my non-essential Miike list... Especially the latter. BS. But I disagree (obviously) with you about Izo and Rainy Dog and Ley Lines. Not much to say there, except that obviously IZO is a gorefest, but the "story" in its allegories is pretty effective. I don't know about the comparison to Tsukamoto, since he's only made a handful of (nice!) films, whereas Miike urinates on the canvas in his sleep - if you catch my metaphor... AK47, I agree about The Box, truly wonderful (I still think Park Chan-Wook's contribution was the best of the three, though! Just brilliant!). And I sadly still haven't seen Graveyard of Honour... :( ... Or, for that matter, 9 out of 10 of his films. This brings me back to Ley Lines and Rainy Dog, and to your question about Kuroshakai (Black Society) Trilogy. It's not REAAALLY a trilogy... The common thread is pretty thin, and only a handful of actors recur. The characters and the story are totally different in each case. The first film is a gangster flick, whereas the latter two are more drama-oriented (even Kitanoesque!). It was only marketed as a trilogy for commercial purposes. Dead or Alive trilogy is more of a thematic continuum , however vague. But all of the three films in Kuroshakai are definitely worth seeing, in whatever order! Anybody yet seen "YÔkai daisensÔ?" (2005) aka "Hobgoblins and the Great Wall" aka "The Great Spook War"? That ought to be interesting. Also, be on the lookout for Miike's episode in the American series Masters of Horror, probably in the next weeks. (Tobe Hooper's episode was class, btw). An hour of j-gore awaits. I hope it's not much like One Missed Call and more like Gozu. |
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Visitor Q showed one of the most disturbing scenes in the history of cinema in a very lighthearted way, yes it did. Did you cringe while watching? For me it was a light comedy with bullying, incest and necrophilia. It may have something to do with me being stoned in a chukly way while watching though. I have Graveyard of Honour and as a matter of fact about 20 other Miike's movies so I may give him a couple of more chances. I was comparing Miike to Tsukamoto only in the terms of my disappointment. Shinya's movies are way better if you ask me, but I don't think he deserves his cult following more than, let's say, Francis Ford Coppola. |
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Well I think Tetsuo (the first one, at any rate) is better than anything by Miike, but that's apples and oranges all over again. I don't think nationality makes much of a difference, although Tsukamoto and Miike DO have some direct contact (like Tsukamoto acting in Ichi The Killer). The one thing that fascinates me in Miike is the constant mixing of the jovial and the serious - or, more realistically, the sick-but-laughable and the sick-and-nauseating. I did get both these sensations with Visitor Q, thanks for clearing that up. I think "the visitor" himself turns from a menacing person into someone quite likeable and lovable. Hmm. A random quote: "This is not the mystery of the life, this is shit!" mm, I'm not sure how to read your allusion to Coppola... are you saying Coppola is overrated? Actually, the one japanese director above Miike is probably Hideaki Anno, for his "Ritual" and "Love & Pop" (I'll overlook the ridiculous "Cutie Honey"!). |
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Thanks BoxBob and everyone else, just as intended this thread has unearthed some valuable info What's the consensus on MPD Psycho?... I got the first two eps... mind boggling... narrative structure that makes Pulp Fiction seem linear... |
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I'm quite drunk and can't put a sentence together at the moment so I'll put down facts and opinions in a manner best suiting my state: Facts: 1. I'm not a fan of FFC 2. I'm not a fan of ST 3. I'm not a fan of TM 4. I liked the visitor from the start. He seemed a guarding angel to the family whose purpose was to bring catharsis through pushing the borders of everything to extremes. 5. I haven't seen anything by Hideaki Anno. Opinions: 1. Wong Kar-Wai + Tsai Ming-Liang > Takashi Miike + Shinya Tsukamoto 2. Park Chan-Wook + Kim Ki-Duk < Takashi Miike + Shinya Tsukamoto 3. I don't care about Coppola, all I'm saying is that the Far East craze is incomprehensible to me. 2. All 7 mentioned are great in their own right. Facts again: It took me half an hour to "write this post -> delete everything -> start from scratches" 3 times and I think the best thing I could do now is to delete it again and write something in the morning, but ... wait, I almost deleted it ... I think ... Hmmm, if I deleted it, you wouldn't know about my present torment. Fuck, I know that the world would do fine without this post. With every sentence, the probability of deleting this post is becoming lower and lower. Ahhh, have a laugh at a poor soul. YOU DON'T KNOW ME!!!! What is his present account? |
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Chill QRDL (hey that rhymes) BTW Comparing Wong Kar-Wai and Miike is like comparing any Andrew Lloyd Webber to Rocky Horror... I agree about Chanwook Park though... his stuff is lavish and smooth as silk and he hits the extremes that even Miike doesn't reach but he lacks Miike's Punky Kinetics and Energy |
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Yes, it's kind of stupid to compare them. I just prefere guys with humanistic approach and brains recently. Not that the others don't have brains, but they mainly use it for style, not insight. But don't care about my opinion, yesterday I watched the new Harry Potter and quite liked it. |
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:) "All 7 mentioned are great in their own right." - Amen. One more thing: Wong Kar-Wai is not as much an Asian as a _European_ director. Comparing _him_ to Coppola is not unreasonable. |
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Wong Kar-Wai is not as much an Asian as a _European_ director couldn't have put it better myself... yes Kar-Wai's film are steeped in European (particularly French) aesthetic...right down to Accordians on the soundtracks (maybe I am being a bit flippant here now ) :B |
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actually i think my favorite miike is happieness of the katikuris. i've liked a lot of his other stuff. but it's pretty hit and miss for me. |
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