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CS2x
from London (United Kingdom) on 2005-10-18 16:37 [#01753955]
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For all you unsigned folks out there making music...
Do you ever get really wound up that you haven't been signed yet, or had stuff released? I mean, I've been pretty lucky as of late (being involved in a number of projects and collaborations) but still; the whole process is very slow, and I have lots and lots of tracks that people are promising things for but which never actually get out there.
I suppose it's just about determination and waiting for someone to come along who will actually deliver. As I said, I have been lucky as of late, but it's a pretty frustrating process overall.
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i_x_ten
from arsemuncher on 2005-10-18 16:40 [#01753959]
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yes. i've only ever sent one demo out. i never normally bother because i'm too hard on myself.
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Drunken Mastah
from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2005-10-18 16:42 [#01753964]
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I make music for my own recreational purposes, mostly, so I couldn't care less if I got signed or not.. or.. if I got signed, I'd have more money... I'm not frustrated by it, at least...
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virginpusher
from County Clare on 2005-10-18 16:42 [#01753965]
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No. I'm not trying to get signed. I doubt i would want to be.
I like making music for making music. I am just finishing up my album currently and still plan on hosting it free. I am happy because its the best stuff i have done to date.
I like taking concepts and then challenging myself. To get feedback and people telling me they liked it is reward enough.
This genre is far too small realistically to get anywhere anyways. LOL
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horsefactory
from 💠 (United Kingdom) on 2005-10-18 16:43 [#01753967]
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i don't ever expect and have never tried to, so no
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i_x_ten
from arsemuncher on 2005-10-18 16:46 [#01753972]
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i would like to get signed. i write music because i love it. if i could make money doing something i love it would be even better. if i was only doing it for the money, i would've given up and not spent my last 5 years writing music all the time
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oyvinto
on 2005-10-18 16:48 [#01753974]
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i want to be a superstar
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CS2x
from London (United Kingdom) on 2005-10-18 16:49 [#01753977]
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Yes, I agree making music for it's own sake is fun. But I'm utterly impractical, and not very good at anything apart from music/imaging and perhaps creative writing.
It's not so much for the money (although getting money for your own music would be great) but just so people could get to hear the music. I'd see it as a tragic waste if my music was only ever heard by myself and a few close friends and family-and those who could be bothered to hear it online. Not because I'm an arrogant sod-but it just feels a bit aimless simply making one track after another and never getting anything out there.
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oyvinto
on 2005-10-18 16:52 [#01753978]
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so, what have you released where?
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qrter
from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2005-10-18 16:53 [#01753982]
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start your own label.
you'll need a lot of time and a lot of money, though - but it can be done.
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Taffmonster
from dog_belch (Japan) on 2005-10-18 16:54 [#01753984]
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im frustrated that my spams never get listened to :(
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qrter
from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2005-10-18 16:56 [#01753985]
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your spam does get listened to, though.
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Taffmonster
from dog_belch (Japan) on 2005-10-18 16:58 [#01753987]
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good point i meant like by millions of people all screaming about how amazing it is!
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qrter
from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2005-10-18 17:00 [#01753988]
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oh alright, you're unlucky in that aspect.
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qrter
from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2005-10-18 17:01 [#01753990]
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anyways.. if it is about other people hearing your music, why not put mp3s and/or FLACs online for download?
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CS2x
from London (United Kingdom) on 2005-10-18 17:04 [#01753991]
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I have done.
But you're right-I don't know why that hasn't happened yet. I'm going to pay for a Zeebox account...
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dog_belch
from Netherlands, The on 2005-10-18 17:07 [#01753996]
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It's a bit late in the day for me, but I would so love to have just one record out, a bit of vinyl I could wave around and say, "Yep, that sold 54 copies back in 2006", just to be a part of the great Pop History of which I have followed so studiously the last 20 odd years (and they have been odd).
Ideally, I am fixated on having a double 7" gatefold sleeve, grey vinyl release, two tracks on each side.
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clint
from Silencio... (United Kingdom) on 2005-10-18 17:08 [#01753998]
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I think if you want to get signed, the best thing to do is make as much music as you can, and make it as available as possible, online or whatever. People get heard that way, and if its good enough, it does get noticed if you publicise it enough - just look at people like Khonnor, or Wisp.
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CS2x
from London (United Kingdom) on 2005-10-18 17:09 [#01753999]
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heheh. Yep, as long as you can say you've released *something*.
;-)
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clint
from Silencio... (United Kingdom) on 2005-10-18 17:09 [#01754000]
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And I'm more frustrated that my music isn't good enough, btw :(
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CS2x
from London (United Kingdom) on 2005-10-18 17:12 [#01754003]
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It probably is. We tend to be too critical with our own stuff, I find. :-)
I've done some music with a singer called Andrea Black, I did some weird sounds and synth lines on Grace Jone's new album (yep, she's making a comeback...I luckily got connected with her producer, who's called Ivor Guest) and I've worked on material with an artist called Sarah Sahandi, so I should be grateful. But that's all happened now, and it's almost back to square one.
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i_x_ten
from arsemuncher on 2005-10-18 17:21 [#01754010]
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actually i would be interested in getting a netlabel going, just for the crack really, artists of xltronic i think are cool are taff, mls, cs2x spring to mind. gis a shout guys if you're interested. only issue i would have with running a netlabel is affording hosting fees.
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marlowe
from Antarctica on 2005-10-18 17:23 [#01754012]
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I'm a bit like that - one 12" would satisfy me. I was disappointed that the promised Killbot 10" never materialised, even tho that bastard Saul X Baker still has one of my tracks on his site and plays it at gigs etc!
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Drunken Mastah
from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2005-10-18 17:25 [#01754014]
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print it up and distribute it yourself... it takes time and some money, but it works.. it would here in Bergen anyway... if I get a job soon (applications fly out in all directions), I'd probably buy one.
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CS2x
from London (United Kingdom) on 2005-10-18 17:26 [#01754015]
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It's not a bad idea at all, actually. I also like Gwely Mernan's music...
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clint
from Silencio... (United Kingdom) on 2005-10-18 17:28 [#01754017]
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DO IT
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Fah
from Netherlands, The on 2005-10-18 17:28 [#01754018]
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its a pain to host a netlabel imho. have one running at the moment too but i have to wait for a domain name. and it easily makes you go lazy on it
for the frustration thing, to me it is kinda frustrating to see everyone else around you get all signed and all popstarry and shit, and you're sitting there making tracks with some cunt shitting on your head, demanding you to make tracks with rapvocals. and what i would kill to have something of mine on vinyl, dunno why. guess i have a weak for vinyl
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i_x_ten
from arsemuncher on 2005-10-18 17:28 [#01754019]
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i've never heard it
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CS2x
from London (United Kingdom) on 2005-10-18 17:34 [#01754024]
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Yeah, what is especially annoying is when there are people around you getting signed who just sound naff. I'm not saying I'm amazingly good, but there is some stuff out there within this genre that makes you think-"how on earth did this label get convinced to release this!?"
It's probably through connections and the like.
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Taffmonster
from dog_belch (Japan) on 2005-10-18 17:36 [#01754025]
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i know lots of people who are signed, they are all mostly lovely but it makes me sad :(
but then im prolly no better or deserving than anyone else its just nice to have tunes heard
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dog_belch
from Netherlands, The on 2005-10-18 18:03 [#01754036]
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Yeahhh, I had a look, what I wanted looked to be about 4,000 Euros, though I think, or at least hope, it could be cheaper.
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qrter
from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2005-10-18 18:42 [#01754061]
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good luck on that..!
vinyl is just incredibly expensive, especially if you want to do stuff like gatefold sleeves, etc.
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r40f
from qrters tea party on 2005-10-18 20:19 [#01754115]
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vinyl is incredibly expensive unfortunately. but when you start taking pre-orders, sign me up for one autographed copy, please.
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Drunken Mastah
from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2005-10-19 04:24 [#01754213]
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damn!
how many records did you get for that??
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Drunken Mastah
from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2005-10-19 04:25 [#01754214]
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did would
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Drunken Mastah
from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2005-10-19 04:25 [#01754215]
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feck!
would.
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Drunken Mastah
from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2005-10-19 04:26 [#01754216]
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I committed 1337 X17 5uic|d3
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Ceri JC
from Jefferson City (United States) on 2005-10-19 05:44 [#01754223]
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Yes, every time I listen to a track I'm proud of and think, "It's good, but it's not Warp main artist quality", I remind myself that there are scores of established artists on smaller labels that sound rubbish in comparison.
I'm not fussed about being signed. It'd be nice to get enough cash so I could "legalise" my sample and music software collection, perhaps even few more of bits hardware, but I don't ever imagine (nor do I think I'd want to) making a living off it. I believe if it was my sole source of income I'd end up pandering to popular tastes and releasing solely DnB and Dance tracks.
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Jarworski
from The Grove (United Kingdom) on 2005-10-19 05:53 [#01754225]
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Never wanted to release a record that much... when I got a large selection of originals I put them in some kind of album order and that was interesting but that's it; I only ever wanted to play gigs really, which I do quite often. Maybe you should do some, drum up some interest.
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try-pod
from Wimbledon, London (United Kingdom) on 2005-10-19 06:27 [#01754239]
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I think we're all just sexually fustrated
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Skink
from A cesspool in eden on 2005-10-19 06:29 [#01754241]
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I never know that you made any music at all! You lear somethig new everyday i suppose.
: )
I am was supposed to be having something released. I don't think it's going to happen though. Most of musicical ideas and wants are still embryonic really. Maybe i will get there eventually.
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DeleriousWeasel
from Guam on 2005-10-19 06:32 [#01754243]
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by George! you're right!
._ (_)______ ._ ____|_-)~ (_)
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CS2x
from London (United Kingdom) on 2005-10-19 07:03 [#01754261]
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I wouldn't mind doing a few d'n'b tunes and other more commerical tracks for extra cash while working on my own more personal stuff at the same time. And if that stuff gathered an interest, I'd be even happier. The thing is, making house music/drum and bass/trance is fun for me anyway (though I'm not claiming to be very good at it!)
I can't imagine a better "job" then making music for money, and if that means producing more simplistic material for a while (until it becomes possible for your more "experimental" ideas to get out there) then so be it. To be honest, the money's not even important: it's just the fact that I could say, "yes, I've released something-I have an actual album/EP out there!"
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Jarworski
from The Grove (United Kingdom) on 2005-10-19 07:07 [#01754265]
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Yeh well it's a metal band so I don't shout about it here :D
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CS2x
from London (United Kingdom) on 2005-10-19 07:12 [#01754276]
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I've done a few gigs, and they were pretty fun. But it's harder then I thought it would be to come up with something interesting in terms of visual performance when you're playing electronic stuff live; bashing an MPC1000, touching a KAOS pad and improvising some random notes on a synth while staring into a laptop screen can't be the most exciting thing to stare at. :-)
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plaidzebra
from so long, xlt on 2005-10-19 07:14 [#01754280]
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when i become independently wealthy, i'm going to release some records by some of you chaps.
to get a copy of the list of those who made the cut, send me a dollar.
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Jarworski
from The Grove (United Kingdom) on 2005-10-19 07:14 [#01754281]
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Sure, not everyone can get Plaid's live setup. But work on finding interesting venues to make up for the lack of something to look at... you are in London after all, never know who's watching.
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Skink
from A cesspool in eden on 2005-10-19 07:18 [#01754286]
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Indeed.
CS2 try gettig a gig at the foundry, it has visual stimulus there already.
Jar: Any chace i can hear some metal from you?
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CS2x
from London (United Kingdom) on 2005-10-19 07:26 [#01754296]
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Cool, I'll have a look. There was one gig I did in a tent at an event called "The Waiting" and they had some typical swirling-clours-Windows Media Player-style things on a screen behind me, but apparently even those added something. Then again, some people would say that the music should stand up on its own, and after seeing Ae live perhaps I'd agree. It all depends on the event and the music you're playing I guess.
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Jarworski
from The Grove (United Kingdom) on 2005-10-19 07:30 [#01754299]
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My drummer fucked up his collarbone shortly before we were supposed to cut a demo, so we're inactive at the mo - should be back in the swing of things soon, I'll let you know :)
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